But Bruno, because of the measure problem, MWI must also be probabilistic, otherwise it does not agree with experiment. Richard

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On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 03:30, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:35 AM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, April 11, 2013 3:29:51 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> If matter is deterministic, how could it behave in a random way? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> It couldn't. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Are you saying then that matter is random, or that it is neither random >>> nor >>> deterministic? >>> >> >> Matter behaves randomly, but probability theory allows us to make >> predictions about random events. >> > > > But with QM without collapse, matter does not behave randomly. The SWE is > deterministic. > We are multiplied, and the randomness comes from the first person > perspective. > Comp extends this. The SWE itself emerges from the first person > perspective of the person supervening on the arithmetical relation defining > computations. > > Bruno > > > > > >> >> -- >> Stathis Papaioannou >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to >> everything-list+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com<everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >> . >> To post to this group, send email to >> everything-list@googlegroups.**com<everything-list@googlegroups.com> >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >> . >> For more options, visit >> https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out<https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out> >> . >> >> >> > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~**marchal/ <http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/> > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to > everything-list+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com<everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > . > To post to this group, send email to > everything-list@googlegroups.**com<everything-list@googlegroups.com> > . > Visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/**group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> > . > For more options, visit > https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out<https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out> > . > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.