On 13 Apr 2013, at 15:17, Richard Ruquist wrote:

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But Bruno, because of the measure problem, MWI must also be probabilistic, otherwise it does not agree with experiment.

`The universal wave evolves deterministically, but *we* are in the`

`superposed and differentiating branches, so we feel like there is an`

`indeterminacy in the 3p sense, but without collapse, it is only a`

`first person indeterminacy of the same kind of comp (UDA step 3).`

`With comp, we are automatically in the superposed state brought by the`

`infinitely many universal numbers competing to generate our state.`

`Indeterminacy is predicted once we look around below our substitution`

`level.`

`The sharable experiment comes from some first person plural`

`indeterminacy.`

Bruno

RichardOn Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>wrote:On 12 Apr 2013, at 03:30, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:35 AM, Craig Weinberg<whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote:On Thursday, April 11, 2013 3:29:51 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com> wrote: If matter is deterministic, how could it behave in a random way? It couldn't.Are you saying then that matter is random, or that it is neitherrandom nordeterministic? Matter behaves randomly, but probability theory allows us to make predictions about random events.But with QM without collapse, matter does not behave randomly. TheSWE is deterministic.We are multiplied, and the randomness comes from the first personperspective.Comp extends this. The SWE itself emerges from the first personperspective of the person supervening on the arithmetical relationdefining computations.Bruno -- Stathis Papaioannou --You received this message because you are subscribed to the GoogleGroups "Everything List" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ --You received this message because you are subscribed to the GoogleGroups "Everything List" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --You received this message because you are subscribed to the GoogleGroups "Everything List" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

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