It's easy to theorize about the hard problem of consciousness being ill defined if you don't really understand it. A lot of people don't agree on what energy is or time. That doesn't mean that it is easy to theorize about them sensibly. > and there's no way to test the > theories because consciousness is taken to be a first-person-only > phenomenon by > definition. It just means that some phenomena cannot be understood in the same way as others. What qualia lack in public measure, they more than make up for in private intensity. > On the other hand it is pretty easy to test intelligence - we do it all > the > time. But creating intelligence is a "hard" problem. > Creating intelligence without consciousness isn't conceptually hard, it just takes a lot of resources. > > > I think we have very solid hypothesis on > > why some things behave intelligently, you explained it yourself. The > > problem becomes easier if we reject meaning, and accept that evolution > > is just a mindless process of complexification. > > > > In any case, through a modern combination of computer science, > > neuroscience and biology, we know a lot about intelligence. We know > > nothing about consciousness (scientifically, that is -- I know a lot > > about my own consciousness). > > Maybe because (scientifically) there's nothing to know. What would > constitute a solution > to the "hard problem" that could be tested? The solution is that the problem can't be solved externally, it has to be experienced directly. Why qualia exists is self-evident: because that is what the universe actually is. > I think the best we will be able to do is to > understand human brains to the point that we can manipulate thoughts and > emotions as > reported by subjects and we can make AI robots that behave like humans and > whose > "character" we can design as desired. When we've done that we'll "bet" > (as Bruno would > say) that we've solved the problem. > That's like saying "We won't need auto mechanics once we have mastered driving." Craig > Brent > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.