On 09 May 2013, at 19:39, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, May 9, 2013 Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote:
> Roulette wheels are not random, they can be modeled as Newtonian
mechanisms, exactly like cuckoo clocks.
No they are not exactly alike. A tiny change in a cuckoo clock
causes a tiny change in the clock's performance, but a tiny change
in the roulette wheel causes a HUGE change in the wheel's
performance, and conceivably the change might be so small that we're
talking about a quantum event. And if you don't like roulette then a
electronic circuit that detects shot noise or a Geiger counter.
> You can accept that true randomness is fundamental, and thus, not
explainable
I can accept that it is conceivable. I do not think that nature is
obligated to arrange things in such a way that human beings can
always understand them.
> but the MWI and Bruno's FPI provide a compelling contrary
hypothesis.
I like the MWI because it doesn't have to explain what a observer or
a observation is not because it gets rid of randomness. Personally
I don't see much difference between saying something happened for no
cause and saying something happened for a cause that can't ever be
detected even in theory. And to tell you the truth I can't keep up
with Bruno's homemade acronyms and terms and have quite forgotten
what "FPI" even stands for.
FPI is "First Person Indeterminacy".
You are the only one having a problem with this (step 3 of UDA),
except Bill who has a problem with comp (step 0 of UDA).
(And the comp I talk about is a weakening and more precise definition
of the antic mechanist conception of mind and life). It is used by
Deutsch, Everett, most (weak and strong) materialists, and is the
object of many studies. It just the idea that the we can survive with
a mechanical artificial brain, like we think we can survive with an
artificial heart.
Comp is opposed to fake pseudo-religion and is sometimes sum up by "no
magic". Then I show that comp leads to the realization that we did
have a magical conception of matter, and that we must dispense with
it, leading to a testable explanation of where and how the physical
laws emerged.
I think Brett is right in his motivation question. Your deeply
contradictory attitude about the FPI masks some deep religious
prejudices that you seem not even being aware of.
You and Bill confirmed very precisely my statement that the
vindicative strong atheists are the one unable to go out of the
Christian Aristotelian theological foundations.
Bruno
And speaking of profound mysteries, why isn't acronym a acronym? Hey
wait a minute it is! Arranged Chronological Reassignment Of Names
You Manipulate; acronym for short.
John K Clark
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