On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 10:21 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Even better as a improvement over Dr. Turing's Test, would be "I want you to > live." If this isn't faked by a clever developer,
Can you clarify the distinction between fake wanting to live and real wanting to live? Or even wanting to leave, as Brent pointed out? > then that qualifies as a > separate, and better, living thing, then most of us humans. > -----Original Message----- > From: spudboy100 <[email protected]> > To: everything-list <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat, Aug 31, 2013 1:12 pm > Subject: Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test? > > Lets jump ahead of the logic and technology, and presume a successful > digital imitation of the human brain in several decades. More than the > Turing Test, assuming that no programmer or developer inserts a complex > program, made to fool human observers, would not a computer that says " I > want to live" a more important AI function than just pretending to fool > humans as the Turing Test asserts. It speaks to the will and thus 'soul.' > Yeah, at the end of the day I am a dualist, which in this list is comparable > to a flat-earther. But the I want to live phrase speaks to me, rather then > somebody chatting with a program, about the weather in Blackford Lancashire, > and fooling the human. > > Mitch > -----Original Message----- > From: John Clark <[email protected]> > To: everything-list <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat, Aug 31, 2013 11:37 am > Subject: Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test? > > On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Chris de Morsella <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > do you think I am trying to pretend that I am deterministic within my >> > own self? > > > I think you believe you are not deterministic and also not not > deterministic, which is equivalent to saying I think you believe in > gibberish. > >> >> > all my decisions and free will could be the result of a grand illusion > > > Free Will is not an illusion. An illusion is a well defined perfectly > respectable subjective phenomenon, but "free will" is not like that at all, > "free will" is just a noise that some bipeds like to make with their mouth. > Cows make a different noise, cows say "Moo". > > >> >> > Why has evolution invested so much energy in erecting such a perfect >> > rendition of this facsimile of free will that is the common sense >> > experience >> > that we all experience within ourselves? > > > I cannot answer that question because I don't know what the ASCII sequence > "free will" means. > > John K Clark > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
