On 24 Sep 2013, at 20:58, Craig Weinberg wrote:



On Monday, September 23, 2013 1:16:08 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:

shape belongs to the category of numbers imagination, and with comp this is given by arithmetical relations.


Numbers imagination seem like human imagination to me.

Nice. That is a reason for taking number's talk seriously.





It is not. What is important is to not impose certainties on other. To make clear what we assume.

That's what I am trying to do - make clear what you assume. If you start out granting numbers imagination, then you have already have consciousness, and have no need for comp.

Of course. Comp is an assumption concerning consciousness and computations. Then the *conclusion* is that the theory of everything is elementary arithmetic.







Maybe you can get a set of variables with unknown values, but why would they have a smell or sound?

Because if they didn't, you would die when saying "yes" to the doctor.

Yes, you would.

Because you assume non-comp, but I still don't see why.








The truth or falsity of comp is out of my topic.

I am interested only in the refutability of comp.

That may already be biasing the evaluation of comp beyond repair. Consciousness is not about refutability,


Doing a precise theory is about making a refutable theory.



it is about perceiving and participating. Refutability is a second order logic derived from that. If you use the weak standard of refutability, then you cannot be surprised when we take a puppet for a person.

I can hardly be surprised, because that is mainly what I assume.

Bruno





Craig





Bruno

http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/




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