On 24 Sep 2013, at 20:58, Craig Weinberg wrote:

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On Monday, September 23, 2013 1:16:08 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:shape belongs to the category of numbers imagination, and with compthis is given by arithmetical relations.Numbers imagination seem like human imagination to me.

Nice. That is a reason for taking number's talk seriously.

It is not. What is important is to not impose certainties on other.To make clear what we assume.That's what I am trying to do - make clear what you assume. If youstart out granting numbers imagination, then you have already haveconsciousness, and have no need for comp.

`Of course. Comp is an assumption concerning consciousness and`

`computations. Then the *conclusion* is that the theory of everything`

`is elementary arithmetic.`

Maybe you can get a set of variables with unknown values, but whywould they have a smell or sound?Because if they didn't, you would die when saying "yes" to the doctor. Yes, you would.

Because you assume non-comp, but I still don't see why.

The truth or falsity of comp is out of my topic. I am interested only in the refutability of comp.That may already be biasing the evaluation of comp beyond repair.Consciousness is not about refutability,

Doing a precise theory is about making a refutable theory.

it is about perceiving and participating. Refutability is a secondorder logic derived from that. If you use the weak standard ofrefutability, then you cannot be surprised when we take a puppet fora person.

I can hardly be surprised, because that is mainly what I assume. Bruno

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