On Sunday, October 20, 2013 2:56:22 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 20 Oct 2013, at 01:34, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 19, 2013 6:18:36 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: >> >> On 10/18/2013 11:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 19 Oct 2013, at 08:20, meekerdb wrote: >> >> On 10/18/2013 10:55 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> A feeling, like a fear, is an evolved construct, needing brain and a long >> evolutionary history. >> >> >> I doubt that. If my paradigmatic AI Mars Rover responds to possible harm >> it forsees by diverting all power to locomotion, shutting off >> communications and instruments, and abandones its near term scientific >> goals in an attempt to preserver itself - then it's probably feeling fear. >> >> >> I agree. But Mars Rover has a very long history, involving the >> apparition of humans on earth. >> >> >> But the fear has nothing to do with the history. The fear supervenes on >> the action of expending all possible effort to avoid an undesirable end. >> > > I would think that the program of expending all possible effort to avoid > an end which is defined as maximally avoidable would not be improved in any > way by and such thing as 'fear'. Flip a switch, execute a different > command, and the Rover's efforts to preserve itself are abandoned. > > > Some drugs illustrate this for us too. Simple switch in the brain can > change a lot your perspective and even the goal and the motivation. >
Sure, but drugs wear off, leaving us to integrate which perspective we can or want to change on our own. Just because drugs change us does not mean that drugs can be us. > > > Fear only appears by the pathetic fallacy. > > > ? > Machines have no fear, except in our imagination about what machines could theoretically experience. Craig > > > Bruno > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
