On 27 Nov 2013, at 23:36, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/27/2013 7:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 Nov 2013, at 18:56, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
wrote:
> Atheism is also the belief in NO afterlife,
Those are 2 separate ideas and there is no reason they must be
linked. There could be a God and no afterlife or a afterlife and
no God; or neither could exist or both could.
If you are able to conceive a god without afterlife, it means you
can conceive a non Christian God, which is nice, but contradicts
the main atheist statements you already did in preceding
conversations.
How does being able to conceive a non-Christian God contradict being
an atheist?? I can conceive many different gods that I don't
believe in.
Can you conceive a God in which you do believe?
That was for John Clark who defined once God by the Christian God.
Also, if you can conceive a Non Christian God, it becomes more
difficult to *believe* in the non existence of God.
We might try to decide on a definition of "atheism", as that notion
is very unclear, and I have rarely obtain a definition on which
atheists agreed.
It's as clear as the negation of 'theist'.
But "theist" is not clear. Some identify "God" with the God of their
own culture. In science, we try to get a concept as independent of
human and culture as possible.
I use "God" in the greek sense of Truth (the one that we can search
about us, or hope or fear, in life and afterlife, whatever it is).
Except nobody here is speaking Greek. And the Greeks had plenty of
gods that had nothing to do with truth; in fact they were given to
deception.
I was of course alluding to the greek (neo)platonists. They did
invented the God used by both the abramanic cultures (even if terribly
deformed, notably by the abandon of science about it, and the use of
authoritative arguments, by Christians, Muslims, and perhaps by the
Jewish (with Maimonides, to some extent).
It is not because we have found strong evidence that the Earth is NOT
flat, that Earth has disappeared. We just correct our theory of
Earth. Why couldn't we do that with the notion of God?
Bruno
Brent
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