On 27 Nov 2013, at 23:43, LizR wrote:

Noun
atheism (plural atheisms)
(narrowly) Belief that no deities exist (sometimes including rejection of other religious beliefs). (broadly) Rejection of belief that any deities exist (with or without a belief that no deities exist). (very broadly) Absence of belief that any deities exist (including absence of the concept of deities). (loosely, uncommon) Absence of belief in a particular deity, pantheon, or religious doctrine (notwithstanding belief in other deities).

(Wikipedia)

Quantum immortality would be a form of afterlife without a god or gods.


Let us call a "god" something we might have faith in, but cannot prove its existence. OK?

Quantum immortality, and the many comp immortalities, necessitates the belief in some infinity, OK?

Can we prove the existence of an infinity?

In my opinion, 0 is already a Goddess, and 1 a God, and 2 a Goddess, and cetera.

Can you prove the existence of the number 0? (without assuming them all, or some other Turing universal axiom)

You need all of them to make sense of "immortality". (If *that* makes sense and/or immortality of who exactly?).





A multiverse in which creatures aribtrarily close to gods are guaranteed to exist somewhere would be gods without an afterlife (or at least without one provided by the gods, depending on whether a multiverse implies (1))


Mortality is as much conjectural than immortality, and it depends on what "value" you identify with, or of your ability to recognize yourself in others.

God(s) are more than just infinities, of course, there are often related to good, fair, juste, etc. (or their contrary). (and let us forget about omniscience and omnipotence as it makes not much sense, except in pointing on some tradeoff possible).

Like Cantor showed for the infinite (naming multiplies it), God(s) inherit(s) the inherent feature of the "infinite", and math does put light on this.

In math and physics, most infinities are "numbers", as being programmable or generable relatively to a universal system (computer, PA, ...). But in computer science, like in number theory "infinities" of many different orders appear all the time. Sometimes we are able to get rid of them, but that by itself is seen as a wonderful achievement, obtained after a lot of work.

The "god" of comp is the one which resurrects you in the computation emulating you at the correct level hopefully. And the problem is that such a god resurrects you infinitely often in the truth of infinitely many computations leading to a complex relative truth object in arithmetic. And the resurrection does not need more magic than the assumption that a brain is Turing emulable.

But this does not dispense us from the need of the "infinities", if only to understand why the machines can get crazy about them.

Finites and infinities fertilize each other.

Bruno


http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/



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