On 27 Nov 2013, at 23:43, LizR wrote:
atheism (plural atheisms)
(narrowly) Belief that no deities exist (sometimes including
rejection of other religious beliefs).
(broadly) Rejection of belief that any deities exist (with or
without a belief that no deities exist).
(very broadly) Absence of belief that any deities exist (including
absence of the concept of deities).
(loosely, uncommon) Absence of belief in a particular deity,
pantheon, or religious doctrine (notwithstanding belief in other
Quantum immortality would be a form of afterlife without a god or
Let us call a "god" something we might have faith in, but cannot
prove its existence. OK?
Quantum immortality, and the many comp immortalities, necessitates
the belief in some infinity, OK?
Can we prove the existence of an infinity?
In my opinion, 0 is already a Goddess, and 1 a God, and 2 a Goddess,
Can you prove the existence of the number 0? (without assuming them
all, or some other Turing universal axiom)
You need all of them to make sense of "immortality". (If *that* makes
sense and/or immortality of who exactly?).
A multiverse in which creatures aribtrarily close to gods are
guaranteed to exist somewhere would be gods without an afterlife (or
at least without one provided by the gods, depending on whether a
multiverse implies (1))
Mortality is as much conjectural than immortality, and it depends on
what "value" you identify with, or of your ability to recognize
yourself in others.
God(s) are more than just infinities, of course, there are often
related to good, fair, juste, etc. (or their contrary).
(and let us forget about omniscience and omnipotence as it makes not
much sense, except in pointing on some tradeoff possible).
Like Cantor showed for the infinite (naming multiplies it), God(s)
inherit(s) the inherent feature of the "infinite", and math does put
light on this.
In math and physics, most infinities are "numbers", as being
programmable or generable relatively to a universal system (computer,
PA, ...). But in computer science, like in number theory "infinities"
of many different orders appear all the time. Sometimes we are able to
get rid of them, but that by itself is seen as a wonderful
achievement, obtained after a lot of work.
The "god" of comp is the one which resurrects you in the computation
emulating you at the correct level hopefully. And the problem is that
such a god resurrects you infinitely often in the truth of infinitely
many computations leading to a complex relative truth object in
arithmetic. And the resurrection does not need more magic than the
assumption that a brain is Turing emulable.
But this does not dispense us from the need of the "infinities", if
only to understand why the machines can get crazy about them.
Finites and infinities fertilize each other.
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