On 27 Dec 2013, at 16:34, Richard Ruquist wrote:

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Bruno,I have to say that basing reality on the first person experience (orwhatever) of humansstrikes me as being no different from basing wave collapse on humanconsciousness.

`I agree with you, but I don't do that. The fundamental theory is`

`elementary arithmetic. Experiences are explained by computer science`

`(mainly machine's self-reference and the modal nuances existing by`

`incompleteness).`

`True: the physical reality comes from the experience, but this is`

`based on the FPI which relies on an objective domain, which comes from`

`arithmetic, not experience. So we have, roughly put:`

arithmetic ====> number's dreams =====> physics

`OK? Physics is based on experience, but not on human one. And`

`experiences are based on arithmetic/computer-science.`

Bruno

Sorry for a naive question but that seems tio be my role on this list. RichardOn Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>wrote:On 24 Dec 2013, at 19:39, John Clark wrote:On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 4:04 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>wrote:>> He did answer and did it correctly, > I somehow missed that post. What number did Bruno give?I quote myself:>>> That's a great answer but unfortunately it's NOT a answer tothe question John Clark asked, the question never asked anythingabout "the 3p view", it was never mentioned. So John Clark willrepeat the question for a fifth time: how many first personexperiences viewed from their first person points of view doesBruno Marchal believe exists on planet Earth right now?>1 (I already answered this, note)No you did not.> from the 1-view, the 1-view is always unique.That's real nice, but it wasn't the question. How many unique integers are there in the first 7 billion integers? John Clark's answer: 7 billion.How many unique 1-views from 1-view are there on planet Earth rightnow?Bruno Marchal's answer: Bruno Marchal refuses to answer.I answered this two times already. The answer is 1. Not just rightnow. Always. The infinitely many 1-views are all unique from their 1-view.> Can you explain why you ask?Because Bruno Marchal claims to understand the difference between1P and 3P and says that John Clark does not. And because BrunoMarchal said "the first person experiences viewed from their firstperson points of view" and it would greatly help John Clarkunderstand what Bruno Marchal meant by this (assuming anything atall) if John Clark knew approximately how many first personexperiences views from their first person points of view existed onplanet Earth right now.It is a simple question, what is the number?In the 3-views on the 1-views, there are right now about 7.10^6 suchhuman 1-view.In the 1-view there is only one, from her 1-view. OK?This explains the existence of the 1-indeterminacy. If I amduplicated iteratively ten times: the number of 3-1-views will growexponentially, and after the 10th duplication, there 2^10 1-views.But assuming comp and the default hypotheses, each of thecopies get one bit of information, at each duplication step (theywrite W or they wrote M, never both). All of them feel constantlyunique, and the vast majority get a non computable history wheniterating infinitely (or incompressible when iterating finitely along enough time).You seem to have understood the point, and in a recent post to Jasonyou seem to assess steps 3, 4, 5, 6.So what about step 7?How do you predict "conceptually" the result of any physicalexperiences and experiments, when assuming a physical universe, andassuming it executes integrally (without ever stopping) a UniversalDovetailer?Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ --You received this message because you are subscribed to the GoogleGroups "Everything List" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --You received this message because you are subscribed to the GoogleGroups "Everything List" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

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