John,

Read Bell's paper and you will see it is rife with QM language:
http://www.drchinese.com/David/Bell_Compact.pdf  He also always uses "the
value" or "the result" when talking about a measurement, which implicitly
references the notion of collapse.

"With the example advocated by Bohm and Aharonov, the EPR argument is the
following. Consider a pair of spin one-half particles formed somehow in the
singlet spin state and moving freely in opposite directions.  Measurements
can be made, say by Stern-Gerlach magnets, on selected components of the
spins o1 and o2. If measurement of the component o1 * a, where a is some
some unit vector,* yields the value* +1 then, according to quantum
mechanics, measurement of o2 * a must yield -1 and vice versa."

Under many-worlds a measurement does not result in a single outcome. Above,
measurement of o1*a would yield both +1 and -1, seen and experienced by the
observer who measured o1. The two particles had already measured each other
and so the other particle is known to be correlated with the opposite
result. The particles carried their correlations at sub-light speeds across
space, and the results and effects of measurement spread only at light or
sub-light speeds. If you remove Bell's assumption that measurements have
single outcomes, the rest of his reasoning that interpretations must be
non-local or unreal becomes unfounded.

Jason


On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 9:19 AM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:36 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Bell derived his inequality assuming QM with collapse
>>
>
> No he did not, Bell makes no such assumption or interpretation, in fact
> not one word about Quantum Mechanics is needed in his entire derivation.
> None zero zilch goose egg. And that is why even if Quantum Mechanics turns
> out to be wrong and is succeeded with a newer and better theory it would
> still be true that if things are realistic and local then Bell's inequality
> can NEVER  BE VIOLATED, provided that high school algebra and trigonometry
> are valid. And that is exactly why the experimental discovery that Bell's
> inequality WAS VIOLATED was so fundamental and profound.
>
>   John K Clark
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