On 7 January 2014 10:27, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:

>  On 1/6/2014 12:58 PM, LizR wrote:
>
> I know of only one CPT violation, and if we assume no-collapse then
> everything else in the universe appears to be either a (rather unlikely)
> knock-on effect of kaon decay or a statistical result of the entropy
> gradient, which is in turn derived (most likely) from universal boundary
> conditions like the cosmological expansion.
>
>  PS It *would *have been nice if you'd started what you said "And" rather
> than "But" just to show that you were agreeing with me :(
>
>
> AND there is  no known CPT violation.  Neutral kaon decay violates CP and
> by inference T.  :-)
>

So no known CPT violation. OK, my mistake. But, apart from that, I believe
what I said was correct - and what you said which supported it was also
correct.

Therefore, we can restate the position as follows...

Bell made 4 assumptions:

1) High School algebra and trigonometry work.
2) Things are local (in the sense of no FTL).
3) Things are realistic (in the sense of having well-defined values at all
times).
4) Time is fundamentally asymmetric.

As Brent has eventually agreed, albeit in a manner akin to having his teeth
pulled, most of the interactions in particles physics are time symmetric at
the quantum level, and in particular, the ones involved in EPR experiments
are time-symmetric.

Hence, if we assume no-collapse, Bell's 4th assumption is very likely
invalid.

Hence it is quite possible that the universe actually is both local and
realistic.

(And it's at least suggestive that John Bell himself was aware of and
agreed with all the above reasoning, once it had been pointed out to him by
Huw Price.)

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