2014/1/9 John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com>

> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
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> > Well, read Bell.
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>
> I have.
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> > It shows how QM violates his inequality.
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>
> I know, I demonstrated exactly that on this very list using my own
> language. And Bell knew of course that his inequality was not consistent
> with Quantum Mechanics, what he didn't know at the time was if his
> inequality was consistent with reality or if Quantum Mechanics was. That
> question was answered experimentally a couple of decades after Bell's
> theoretical work and the winner was Quantum Mechanics; so now we know that
> at least one of the assumptions that Bell made (realism, locality, high
> school math works) must be wrong.
>
> > but Bell's inequality IS violated.
>>>
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> Experimentally,
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>
> Huh? This is a physical idea not a mathematical one, how else could it be
> proven wrong other than experimentally?
>
> > But when you look at the many branches, at once [...]
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>
> Unfortunately my eyesight isn't good enough to allow me to look at many
> branches of the multiverse at once.
>
> > to me, the Bell's inequality experimental violation is a quite strong
>> evidence for MW, that is QM-without collapse.
>>
>
> To me Bell's inequality experimental violation is a quite strong evidence
> that reality is not local or not realistic or not either. MWI is not local
>

As I said Liar Clark *even* when presented with evidences will continue
till his death to lie... what's the point to discuss with such a guy ?

Quentin


> so it could be correct, and emotionally it is my favorite interpretation,
> but logically I must admit that it is not the only interpretation that
> could be correct. Much as I dislike Copenhagen the fact is it's
> non-realistic so the violation of Bell's inequality is not rule it out. But
> Einstein's idea that things are realistic and local (and deterministic too
> although determinism was less important to Einstein than realism or
> locality) IS ruled out.
>
>   John K Clark
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