2014/1/9 John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> > On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > > > Well, read Bell. >> > > I have. > > > It shows how QM violates his inequality. >> > > I know, I demonstrated exactly that on this very list using my own > language. And Bell knew of course that his inequality was not consistent > with Quantum Mechanics, what he didn't know at the time was if his > inequality was consistent with reality or if Quantum Mechanics was. That > question was answered experimentally a couple of decades after Bell's > theoretical work and the winner was Quantum Mechanics; so now we know that > at least one of the assumptions that Bell made (realism, locality, high > school math works) must be wrong. > > > but Bell's inequality IS violated. >>> >> >> > Experimentally, >> > > Huh? This is a physical idea not a mathematical one, how else could it be > proven wrong other than experimentally? > > > But when you look at the many branches, at once [...] >> > > Unfortunately my eyesight isn't good enough to allow me to look at many > branches of the multiverse at once. > > > to me, the Bell's inequality experimental violation is a quite strong >> evidence for MW, that is QM-without collapse. >> > > To me Bell's inequality experimental violation is a quite strong evidence > that reality is not local or not realistic or not either. MWI is not local >

As I said Liar Clark *even* when presented with evidences will continue till his death to lie... what's the point to discuss with such a guy ? Quentin > so it could be correct, and emotionally it is my favorite interpretation, > but logically I must admit that it is not the only interpretation that > could be correct. Much as I dislike Copenhagen the fact is it's > non-realistic so the violation of Bell's inequality is not rule it out. But > Einstein's idea that things are realistic and local (and deterministic too > although determinism was less important to Einstein than realism or > locality) IS ruled out. > > John K Clark > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.