2014/1/9 John Clark <[email protected]> > On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Well, read Bell. >> > > I have. > > > It shows how QM violates his inequality. >> > > I know, I demonstrated exactly that on this very list using my own > language. And Bell knew of course that his inequality was not consistent > with Quantum Mechanics, what he didn't know at the time was if his > inequality was consistent with reality or if Quantum Mechanics was. That > question was answered experimentally a couple of decades after Bell's > theoretical work and the winner was Quantum Mechanics; so now we know that > at least one of the assumptions that Bell made (realism, locality, high > school math works) must be wrong. > > > but Bell's inequality IS violated. >>> >> >> > Experimentally, >> > > Huh? This is a physical idea not a mathematical one, how else could it be > proven wrong other than experimentally? > > > But when you look at the many branches, at once [...] >> > > Unfortunately my eyesight isn't good enough to allow me to look at many > branches of the multiverse at once. > > > to me, the Bell's inequality experimental violation is a quite strong >> evidence for MW, that is QM-without collapse. >> > > To me Bell's inequality experimental violation is a quite strong evidence > that reality is not local or not realistic or not either. MWI is not local >
As I said Liar Clark *even* when presented with evidences will continue till his death to lie... what's the point to discuss with such a guy ? Quentin > so it could be correct, and emotionally it is my favorite interpretation, > but logically I must admit that it is not the only interpretation that > could be correct. Much as I dislike Copenhagen the fact is it's > non-realistic so the violation of Bell's inequality is not rule it out. But > Einstein's idea that things are realistic and local (and deterministic too > although determinism was less important to Einstein than realism or > locality) IS ruled out. > > John K Clark > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
