Dear Edgar,

  Can you describe the construction or basic mechanism that one would use
to measure P-time?


On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 7:14 PM, Edgar L. Owen <edgaro...@att.net> wrote:

> Stephen,
>
> Yes, of course p-time is observable. The present moment of p-time is the
> present moment we all observe our entire existence within from birth to
> death.
>
> It's the most fundamental and persistent of observations...
>
> Edgar
>
>
>
> On Thursday, January 16, 2014 3:28:06 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
>
>> Dear Edgar,
>>
>>   Is P-time observable?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Edgar L. Owen <edga...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>> Stephen,
>>
>> PS: I agree with the rest of what you are saying here but again you are
>> talking about clock time, dimensional spacetime, and not P-time which is
>> distinct and is prior to any metrics...
>>
>> Edgar
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, January 16, 2014 1:23:50 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
>>
>> Dear Edgar,
>>
>>   I would agree with your idea here if you made one change: replace the
>> single abstract computing space for all of space-time and replace it with
>> an abstract computing space for each point of space-time. The *one*
>> computation becomes an *infinite number* of disjoint computations. There
>> are also an infinite number of different computations possible for each
>> point for space time! Consider programs that are written in disjoint
>> languages, i.e. that have no trivial translation between them or a common
>> compiler. How many different computations can generate a simulation of the
>> same physical system? More than one!
>>
>>    This can be proven, I think, by rewriting A.A. Markov's diffeomorphism
>> theorem into a weaker form. Something like: There does not exist a general
>> algorithm that can decide in finite time whether or not a smooth
>> diffeomorphism exists between any pair of 4-manifolds.
>>    OTOH, there do exist finite approximations of computations of clocks
>> that can be defined in finite hypervolumes of space-time. This gives us the
>> illusion of a present moment that is percievable at each point of
>> space-time, but it is not one that can be arbitrarily extended to cover all
>> of the manifold. Computation thus cannot be extendible over the entire
>> manifold and thus there cannot be a global present moment that can be
>> "computed".
>>
>>   The point is that GR requires an infinite number of infinitesimal
>> space-times that are "patched together" into a space-time manifold in order
>> to make its predictions (including the equivalence principle). Since a
>> physical clock cannot be defined *in* a infinitesimal space-time
>> hypervolume (specifically the local neighborhood or "ball" of every point
>> in the space-time manifold), there is no way of globally ordering the
>> "present moments" that would be said to exist at each point.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Edgar L. Owen <edga...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jason,
>>
>> Yes I do have an explanation for how GR effects are computed. Thanks for
>> asking. It's refreshing to just have someone ask a question about my
>> theories rather than jumping to attack them. Much appreciated...
>>
>> The processor cycles for all computations are provided by P-time (clock
>> time doesn't exist yet as it is going to be computed along with all other
>> information states). Thus all computations occur simultaneously and
>> continually in a non-dimensional abstract computational space as p-time
>> progresses.
>>
>> The results of these computations is the information states of everything
>> in the universe including all relativistic effects. The way this works to
>> automatically get GR effects is simply to use the pure numeric information
>> of the mass-energy particle property as the relative SCALE of the
>> dimensionality of spacetime as it is computed. The effect of this is to
>> automatically dilate (cur
>>
>> ...
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