I've read all of them, there is nothing about what it is supposed to solve...
Please state it here and now... do not refer to inexistant post. 2014-02-06 Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]>: > Quentin, > > Please refer to my extensive posts to Jesse for that... > > Edgar > > > On Thursday, February 6, 2014 1:21:13 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> So, what is it ? What is it supposed to solve in the first place ? >> >> >> 2014-02-06 Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]>: >> >> Quentin, >>> >>> But it's NOT the case... >>> >>> Edgar >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, February 6, 2014 10:52:58 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2014-02-06 Jesse Mazer <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> But recall that p-time is not a directly measurable quantity so >>>>>> "arbitrary precision" does not apply. You still haven't grasped the >>>>>> concept >>>>>> correctly. P-time has no direct measure, because the present moment is >>>>>> that >>>>>> in which all measures, including those of clock time, are computed. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I don't recall you ever spelling that out in conversation with me, >>>>> thanks for clarifying. In the past people had asked you about how to >>>>> determine p-time and you had said things like "we should be able to >>>>> compute >>>>> p-time from Omega, the curvature of the universe" (in the post at >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/everything-list@googlegroups. >>>>> com/msg47450.html ). So if you now say that determining which events >>>>> are simultaneous in p-time is fundamentally impossible for any being >>>>> within >>>>> the universe, that answers what I was wondering about in question #1. >>>>> >>>> >>>> If that's the case... what good is it to entertain such "p-time"... >>>> it's useless. Predict nothing, cannot be measured. What is p-time supposed >>>> to solve ? >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jesse >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Nevertheless the fact of existence of all observers and thus of >>>>>> everything in the present moment is a direct empirical observation. Just >>>>>> like consciousness it is not subject to measure, but that doesn't mean it >>>>>> doesn't exist. >>>>>> >>>>>> Edgar >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, February 6, 2014 12:47:05 AM UTC-5, jessem wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:38 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2/5/2014 9:31 AM, Jesse Mazer wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --question 1 dealt with the question of how YOU would define p-time >>>>>>>> simultaneity in a cosmological model where there's no way to slice the >>>>>>>> 4D >>>>>>>> spacetime into a series of 3D surfaces such that the density of matter >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> perfectly uniform on each slice (and that uniform can be characterized >>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>> the parameter Omega), unlike in the simple FLRW model where matter is >>>>>>>> assumed to be distributed in this perfectly uniform way. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't see that perfect uniformity is necessary. We have >>>>>>>> calculated our epoch relative to the CMB as 13.8By. I assume any other >>>>>>>> scientific species in the universe could do the same and so say whether >>>>>>>> they were 'at the same time' as measured by expansion of the cosmos. I >>>>>>>> don't see how the existence of galaxies and galaxy clusters precludes >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> kind of measurement. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Using the CMB may give an approximate answer, but would you argue it >>>>>>> could distinguish between different simultaneity definitions that agree >>>>>>> approximately when averaged over large scales, but disagree somewhat >>>>>>> about >>>>>>> the details of simultaneity in highly curved regions? For example, could >>>>>>> the CMB be used to define a unique definition of simultaneity in the >>>>>>> neighborhood of a black hole (where coordinate systems like >>>>>>> Schwarzschild >>>>>>> coordinates and Eddington-Finkelstein coordinates and Kruskal-Szekeres >>>>>>> coordinates give very different definitions of simultaneity)? Edgar >>>>>>> isn't >>>>>>> just claiming some approximate pragmatic truth about simultaneity, he's >>>>>>> claiming an absolute and exact truth about simultaneity in all >>>>>>> circumstances, I was asking if he thinks this truth can be empirically >>>>>>> determined to arbitrary precision even in principle, and if so what >>>>>>> empirical observations would be used. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jesse >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Brent >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. 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