I did read Hoffstader years ago. An organ is not totally alike a social insect
colony. The electrons are moved at upper Newtonian, rather then via neurons,
saavy? You don't have your liver trailing down the street after you.
Why does that make it a poor analogy? Is there something essential about
electrochemical potentials of axons? Aren't neurons rewarded by retrieving
and integrating information (which are just excitations to them).
Have you not read Douglas Hofstader's conversation with an ant-colony in
"Godel, Escher, and Bach"?
Brent
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From: meekerdb <[email protected]>
To: everything-list <[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Jul 22, 2014 5:57 pm
Subject: Re: It Knows That It Knows
On 7/22/2014 2:45 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Ant colonies are not hooked together by neurons passing electrons, but yhe
are integrated, by phermones, and behavior, such as rewards for retrieving
food. Bees are even more this way. So its a poor analogy comparing a human
with a termite hive.
Why does that make it a poor analogy? Is there something essential
about electrochemical potentials of axons? Aren't neurons rewarded by
retrieving and integrating information (which are just excitations to them).
Have you not read Douglas Hofstader's conversation with an ant-colony in
"Godel, Escher, and Bach"?
Brent
Now ant colonies, versus human cities is much more accurate! Getting
cosmic, do areas of spacetime have conscious, self awareness? Do planck
cells have this, and are they interconnected? Do boltzmann brains have
this? How intelligent would they be? Could we communicate with such
phenomenal minds?
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From: meekerdb <[email protected]>
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Sent: 22-Jul-2014 16:27:08 +0000
Subject: Re: It Knows That It Knows
On 7/22/2014 11:57 AM, John Mikes wrote:
Bruno and Kim:
what "SELF" would you consider in e.g. ants? if we realize the
highly merged (individualized?) group-self - the answer is
different from taking the present individual (simplified DOWN
to functional minimum composition units) 'ant' and trying to
assign a 'self' to such partial(?) entity. We
may see the beginnings of such communalization in human
societies as well. We "feel" as part of a larger unit in
certain aspects.
A human is a colony of cells, pretty much like an ant colony.
Brent
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