On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 , Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Nonsense. I can show you the diaries proving that the Helsinki Man did >> write "I see Moscow" AND did write "I see Washington". > > > > > Yes, but > > (I see Moscow) and (I see Washington) > > describes two different, and exclusive, first person experience.
T hose two first person experiences are indeed different from each other but they do have one thing in common, they both have equally vivid memories of being the Helsinki Man yesterday, and if that's not what being the Helsinki Man today means then what does it mean? > > > you are here again confusing the 3-1 view > > (an outsider description of the first person experiences (plural) of the > two > > copies, and the 1-views > [...] > You keep confusing the 3-1 view and the 1-views > I'm not generally a BIG fan of acronyms but you seem to like them and I fear you will get carpal tunnel from typing "you confuse the 1p with the 3p" so often, so how about YCT1PWT3P ? > > " > I the Helsinki Man predict that I will see Moscow AND Washington" is > correct if "I-the helsinki man" refers to two persons > It refers to ANYONE who remembers saying " I the Helsinki Man predict that I will see Moscow AND Washington" . So Bruno you tell me, after the duplication how many people remember saying that? > > > but after the duplication, "I-the Helsinki man" refers to two exclusive > and incompatible FIRST-PERSON EXPERIENCES, > There is absolutely nothing incompatible about two different people having equally vivid memories of being the Helsinki Man. Yes its odd because we are not accustomed to people duplicating machines, but odd is not the same as illogical. >> > Not that predictions, good bad or mediocre, have anything to do with the > nature of personal identity or consciousness. > >> This is wrong, > > So when something does not turn out as you expected you black out and lose consciousness or no longer feel that you are Bruno Marchal or both. > > and irrelevant So your "proof" has nothing to do with consciousness or the nature of personal identity. Then what is it about? > > > that has nothing to do with UDA > Maybe so I don't know, I've forgot again what "UDA" is. I know you've told me before but it must be pretty forgettable. Wait a minute... I think the D has something to do with a bird... is it dovetail? John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
