On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 3:14 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> > there is no problem with the pronouns when you understand and apply the 1p > and 3p distinction. > The problem is that there is no such thing as "*THE* 1p", there is only "*A* 1p". Another problem is that it is never specified who is making this all important "1p and 3p distinction". Who's "1p" are we talking about? > > Who will *experience* two-cities? > The Helsinki Man. > > > Nobody will ever experience both cities. Nobody. > Then today The Helsinki Man can't mean someone who remembers being The Helsinki Man yesterday, so what does "The Helsinki Man" mean? And so by analogy today Bruno Marchal can't mean someone who remembers being Bruno Marchal yesterday. So who are you? > > > You ill be in both city, for an outsider point of view (the 3-1 view), and > you will se only one city (the 1-view). > The use of ambiguous personal pronouns comes so easily that Bruno doesn't even seem to realize that Bruno is using them; it's like breathing, thought is required for neither activity. > > He means the guy who has been in Helsinki and has the corresponding memory, > And there are TWO people who have that memory, and those TWO people live in different cities, and if we accept your definition of "he" then it doesn't take a Kurt Godel to form the logical conclusion that "he" will see TWO cities. > > > the M man, and the W man are both the Helsinki man, > Yes. Pop Quiz: If for the sake of argument we assume the controversial idea that 1+1=2 is true then how many cities did the Helsinki man see? > > > but of course they are now different person > Yes. > > and both the W and the M man see only once city. > Yes. > > > See above. > Why? > > I have still not an atom of clue of what you don't understand. > Then you don't understand that you don't understand, and that is the worst form of ignorance. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
