On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> He, he and he! The use of ambiguous personal pronouns comes so easily >> that Bruno doesn't even seem to realize that Bruno is using them; >> >> it's like breathing, thought is required for neither activity. > > > > > The "he" is explained in the [...]. This proves that you work only by > disingenuous rethorical tricks or that you don't read the post(s). > > > The complete quote is: > > > That is indeed exactly why that guy in Helsinki was able to predict that > wherever he will survive he will feel unique, in a unique specific city, > and a city that he could not have predicted in advance. With "he" denoting > the guys remembering having been the Helsinki guy. Both of them > congratulate themselves for having written in the diary, when in Helsinki: > P(coffee) = 1, P(unique-city) = 1, P(W v M) = 1, and P(W & M) = 0, as the > diary contains the personal, particular, experience, which mention only > *one* city, in both diaries, either M, or W. > > > Do you understand now > > why both "he" congratulate themselves when in Helsinki the guy predicted > P(one city) = 1, P(W v M) = 1? > No I do NOT understand and neither do you. If you did understand you'd have shown I was wrong long ago by simply stop using "he" in your thought experiment; but that is impossible because "he" is of vital importance, "he" is needed to cover up the logical blunders in the "proof". You've made use of the fact that in everyday life most don't give much thought to personal pronouns, they don't need to because the referent is obvious, but people duplicating machines have not been invented yet and that is not in everyday life, and so bad habits need to be broken and attention must be payed. > > > Do you agree that P(experiencing-coffee) = 1? (you said ago "yes, I > guess") > As I said , if everything in the universe gets coffee then "he" will get coffee too regardless of what that personal pronoun means. And I said "I guess" because it's hard to get excited over such a vapid thought experiment > > > Do you agree that P(experiencing-coffee) = 1 > implies P(experiencing-a-unique-city) = 1? > I don't know if I agree or not because this time everything in the universe will NOT be experiencing-a-unique-city . The prediction is supposed to be about what "he" will see but this time it does matter what "he" means. Before I can give a answer I need to understand the question. If "he" means The Helsinki Man then the probability "he" will experience one and only one city is zero, the probability "he" will experience both cities is 1. If "he" means The Moscow Man then the probability "he" will experience one and only one city is 1, the probability "he" will experience both cities is zero. If "he" means Bruno Marchal then the probability "he" will experience one and only one city is zero, the probability "he" will experience both cities is 1. If "he" means The Washington Man then the probability "he" will experience one and only one city is 1, the probability "he" will experience both cities is zero. So tell me what "he" means and I'll give you a prediction. Not that predictions, good bad or mediocre, have anything to do with consciousness or the feeling of unique personal identity. John K Clark > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
