Le 26 avr. 2017 11:21 PM, "Brent Meeker" <meeke...@verizon.net> a écrit :
On 4/26/2017 9:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > You can't invalidate an argument by invoking your own theory (which seems > to assume that there is some world). Like Quentin said, when a world is > assumed, it is only to get a reductio ad absurdum, in the computationalist > theoretical frame. > I appreciate that. But as I see it we have two theories: One supposes there is a physical world and we observe it. Within this theory there are an enormous number of detailed, precise, surprising, accurate predictions. The other makes only a few very general, qualitative predictions (uncertainty, linearity,...). It purportedly explains some things about consciousness (e.g. limitations of self-knowledge) although this is qualitative and is generally untestable. But it supposedly makes the first theory otiose. Of course in science we don't need to choose between these theories - we can wait and see what develops. But claims that the second has proven the first one wrong seem premature. Brent That 's not what is claimed... What is claimed is that *if* the second is true, then the first is otiose. Also, in *physicalist* frame saying mind supervenes on computations is meaningless, in physicalist frame, mind supervene on matter, computation is at most a description of what is. Regards, Quentin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
