On 26 Apr 2017, at 23:21, Brent Meeker wrote:



On 4/26/2017 9:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
You can't invalidate an argument by invoking your own theory (which seems to assume that there is some world). Like Quentin said, when a world is assumed, it is only to get a reductio ad absurdum, in the computationalist theoretical frame.

I appreciate that. But as I see it we have two theories: One supposes there is a physical world and we observe it. Within this theory there are an enormous number of detailed, precise, surprising, accurate predictions. The other makes only a few very general, qualitative predictions (uncertainty, linearity,...). It purportedly explains some things about consciousness (e.g. limitations of self-knowledge) although this is qualitative and is generally untestable. But it supposedly makes the first theory otiose.

Of course in science we don't need to choose between these theories - we can wait and see what develops. But claims that the second has proven the first one wrong seem premature.

As Quentin reminds us, we just assert their incompatibility. So we have to wait for most testing and the development. Could take a long time.

Bruno


Brent

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