On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 2:45:30 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
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> On 11/5/2018 8:54 AM, Philip Thrift wrote:
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> On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 6:56:42 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: 
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>> On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 3:40 AM Philip Thrift <cloud...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > I agree with those scientists who that say something isn't truly 
>>> intelligent unless it is also conscious.
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>> Then you have no way of knowing if any of your fellow human beings are 
>> "truly intelligent" because you have no way of knowing if they are 
>> conscious or not. And if you were outsmarted by something that was *NOT* 
>> "truly intelligent" should you feel better or worse that if you were 
>> outsmarted by something that was *WAS* "truly intelligent"?
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>> *> For something to be fully conscious, or self aware, it would want to 
>>> "live". It would not want to be "shut down". When Watson starts screaming, 
>>> "Don't turn me off!", then it might be conscious.*
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>> Unlike winning at Jeopardy that would be trivially easy to program.
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>> John K Clark
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> I think I would feel better being outsmarted by an unconscious robot than 
> a conscious robot.
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> Because you know the conscious robot would have an internal model of the 
> world in which it knew it had outsmarted you and from which it would learn 
> and plan future actions...like selling you a time share.  Which I think 
> gives some insight into what constitutes consciousness and why it is 
> inherent in high-level intelligence.
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> Brent
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Actually I was thinking the conscious robot would *experience* a 
satisfaction that the sans-consciousness robot could not. 

(Think of how another conscious robot would feel.)

- pt

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