On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 5:39:42 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 4 Nov 2018, at 14:53, John Clark <johnk...@gmail.com <javascript:>> > wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 6:23 AM Philip Thrift <cloud...@gmail.com > <javascript:>> wrote: > > *> If experience (Galen Strawson, The Subject of Experience) is the result >> of information (only) processing, * >> > > If? If information is not the thing that needs processing to produce > intelligence then what is? > > > then the argument for arithmetical (Platonic) reality holds. >> > > Only if somebody can show how information, or anything else, can be > processed without using matter that obeys the laws of physics. > > > > Information processing (computation) has been first discovered in > arithmetic, where there is no matter. > > The fact that the physical reality is Turing-complete explains how we can > build machine doing it, but unfortunately, if “matter” is taken seriously > as primitive, the person itself can no more be attached to any particular > body. > > Eventually, it is the very notion of primitive matter, or physicalism, > which needs to be abandonned if we assume Mechanism or Computationalism. > > Of course to get this, you need a bit more than the UDA step 3 … > > Please, try to convince someone else to explain what is wrong in the step > 3, as you did not succeed in making your point up to now. > > > And, despite the existence of books made of dead trees with black > squiggles made of ink with a high Carbon content pressed onto them, nobody > has even come close to doing that. > > > > It is born in that way. Study any book in the field. You are confusing > everyone on this. > > Bruno >
"Physics" to me is physics theories written in some language (in 2018, who knows what language it will be in 2118). It is a language that can be used to write the Standard Model and Einstein equation(s). *e.g.* *This version of the Standard Model is written in the Lagrangian form.* https://www.symmetrymagazine.org/article/the-deconstructed-standard-model-equation The language and the models written in the language are not the reality itself. It is a mistake to use "physical reality" to correspond to material reality. Material reality may not be be Turing computable. - pt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
