> On 4 Nov 2018, at 23:18, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 9:45 AM Philip Thrift <cloudver...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:cloudver...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> >  It's that experience (not just information) that needs processing to 
> > produce consciousness.
> 
> A experience is a memory and memory is information so experience processing 
> is information processing.    


That is again the usual confusion first person 1p and third person 3p, or []p 
and []p & p. Only god (G*) knows that they are equivalent. The machine cannot 
know or believe that, except in the relative way, by betting on mechanism.

Bruno



> 
> > But I say there can be unconscious (pseudo-)intelligent robots made.
> 
> Do you have any way of knowing  if your fellow human beings are intelligent 
> or  (pseudo-)intelligent? I don't even know what the term means, pseudo or 
> not something can either outsmart you or it can't.
> 
> John K Clark
> 
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