On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 3:55:14 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/5/2018 1:34 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 2:45:30 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/5/2018 8:54 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 6:56:42 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 3:40 AM Philip Thrift <cloud...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> > I agree with those scientists who that say something isn't truly >>>> intelligent unless it is also conscious. >>>> >>> >>> Then you have no way of knowing if any of your fellow human beings are >>> "truly intelligent" because you have no way of knowing if they are >>> conscious or not. And if you were outsmarted by something that was *NOT* >>> "truly intelligent" should you feel better or worse that if you were >>> outsmarted by something that was *WAS* "truly intelligent"? >>> >>> *> For something to be fully conscious, or self aware, it would want to >>>> "live". It would not want to be "shut down". When Watson starts screaming, >>>> "Don't turn me off!", then it might be conscious.* >>>> >>> >>> Unlike winning at Jeopardy that would be trivially easy to program. >>> >>> John K Clark >>> >> >> >> >> >> I think I would feel better being outsmarted by an unconscious robot than >> a conscious robot. >> >> >> Because you know the conscious robot would have an internal model of the >> world in which it knew it had outsmarted you and from which it would learn >> and plan future actions...like selling you a time share. Which I think >> gives some insight into what constitutes consciousness and why it is >> inherent in high-level intelligence. >> >> Brent >> > > > > Actually I was thinking the conscious robot would *experience* a > satisfaction that the sans-consciousness robot could not. > > > But is satisfaction so specific. If it's just property of some > bio-matter, then you could simply append a bio-component to your electronic > computer to proved the experience. > > Brent >
This sounds like a hybrid silicon+bio robot that does information+experience processing (silicon+bio hybrids are among new technologies in the news now, BTW). - pt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.