On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 3:55:14 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/5/2018 1:34 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 2:45:30 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/5/2018 8:54 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 6:56:42 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 3:40 AM Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> > I agree with those scientists who that say something isn't truly >>>> intelligent unless it is also conscious. >>>> >>> >>> Then you have no way of knowing if any of your fellow human beings are >>> "truly intelligent" because you have no way of knowing if they are >>> conscious or not. And if you were outsmarted by something that was *NOT* >>> "truly intelligent" should you feel better or worse that if you were >>> outsmarted by something that was *WAS* "truly intelligent"? >>> >>> *> For something to be fully conscious, or self aware, it would want to >>>> "live". It would not want to be "shut down". When Watson starts screaming, >>>> "Don't turn me off!", then it might be conscious.* >>>> >>> >>> Unlike winning at Jeopardy that would be trivially easy to program. >>> >>> John K Clark >>> >> >> >> >> >> I think I would feel better being outsmarted by an unconscious robot than >> a conscious robot. >> >> >> Because you know the conscious robot would have an internal model of the >> world in which it knew it had outsmarted you and from which it would learn >> and plan future actions...like selling you a time share. Which I think >> gives some insight into what constitutes consciousness and why it is >> inherent in high-level intelligence. >> >> Brent >> > > > > Actually I was thinking the conscious robot would *experience* a > satisfaction that the sans-consciousness robot could not. > > > But is satisfaction so specific. If it's just property of some > bio-matter, then you could simply append a bio-component to your electronic > computer to proved the experience. > > Brent >
This sounds like a hybrid silicon+bio robot that does information+experience processing (silicon+bio hybrids are among new technologies in the news now, BTW). - pt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
