On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 12:18:50 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 30 Dec 2018, at 18:56, [email protected] <javascript:> wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 30, 2018 at 12:10:12 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> > On 24 Dec 2018, at 16:29, Mason Green <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > David Deutsch suggested something like this I (that individual >> universes are discrete, but the multiverse as a whole is continuous). >> > >> > “within each universe all observable quantities are discrete, but the >> multiverse as a whole is a continuum. When the equations of quantum theory >> describe a continuous but not-directly-observable transition between two >> values of a discrete quantity, what they are telling us is that the >> transition does not take place entirely within one universe. So perhaps the >> price of continuous motion is not an infinity of consecutive actions, but >> an infinity of concurrent actions taking place across the multiverse.” >> January, 2001 The Discrete and the Continuous >> >> This is consistent with Digital Mechanism, and plausibly mandatory too. >> The computations evolves discretly, vertically in the universal >> computational deployment (the tiny sigma_1 arithmetic), but the first >> person indeterminacy is horizontal and takes into account infinitely many >> computations. But the precise topology and cardinality remains open >> problems. >> >> Bruno >> > > *Applying this to a horse race, one not only gets dIscrete multiple > universes, **one for each horse as the winner,* > > > Why? I don’t see this. Horses could be classical machine, in which case > the same horse is the winner in all, or quasi-all universes. >
*You believe that everything that's possible to happen, must happen; ergo Many Worlds. Horses are classical objects, so you can reject this example of the fallacy in your thinking by modeling a situation with similar outcomes in a quantum setting. AG * > * but assuming space is continuous, an additional uncountable set of > universes for each winner, where the losers have different positions when > the winner crosses the finish end line. This is not only beautiful. but > utterly sublime. Wouldn't you agree? AG * > > > Yes, the multiplication would occur (assuming space continuous). But the > same horse would still be the winner, except perhaps if two horses are so > close that in some universe another one wins the race, due to that location > superposition. Yet, if the horse behaves classically, with respect to their > muscular force and strategy, the winner will be the same in some majority > (say) of worlds. That is a good thing, as it makes it possible for large > creature to have a partial control on their destiny, and take a lift > instead of jumping through a window. Of course such a classical appearance > have to be explained from the quantum formalism, and with mechanism, such > quantum formalism has to be justified from the statistics on many > computations (of all types). > *If you recast the horse race in a quantum context, which shouldn't be too difficult, you will see that your *bias* that all things which are possible to happen, MUST happen, leads to an absurdity. Try this; imagine several electrons fired simultaneously, and the winner is the one which lands at the positive extremity. No broken legs here, but I think one could massage this model to include that as well. AG* > > Bruno > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Everything List" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to [email protected]. >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <javascript:>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
