On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 12:18:50 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 30 Dec 2018, at 18:56, agrays...@gmail.com <javascript:> wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 30, 2018 at 12:10:12 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> > On 24 Dec 2018, at 16:29, Mason Green <mason...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > David Deutsch suggested something like this I (that individual >> universes are discrete, but the multiverse as a whole is continuous). >> > >> > “within each universe all observable quantities are discrete, but the >> multiverse as a whole is a continuum. When the equations of quantum theory >> describe a continuous but not-directly-observable transition between two >> values of a discrete quantity, what they are telling us is that the >> transition does not take place entirely within one universe. So perhaps the >> price of continuous motion is not an infinity of consecutive actions, but >> an infinity of concurrent actions taking place across the multiverse.” >> January, 2001 The Discrete and the Continuous >> >> This is consistent with Digital Mechanism, and plausibly mandatory too. >> The computations evolves discretly, vertically in the universal >> computational deployment (the tiny sigma_1 arithmetic), but the first >> person indeterminacy is horizontal and takes into account infinitely many >> computations. But the precise topology and cardinality remains open >> problems. >> >> Bruno >> > > *Applying this to a horse race, one not only gets dIscrete multiple > universes, **one for each horse as the winner,* > > > Why? I don’t see this. Horses could be classical machine, in which case > the same horse is the winner in all, or quasi-all universes. >

*You believe that everything that's possible to happen, must happen; ergo Many Worlds. Horses are classical objects, so you can reject this example of the fallacy in your thinking by modeling a situation with similar outcomes in a quantum setting. AG * > * but assuming space is continuous, an additional uncountable set of > universes for each winner, where the losers have different positions when > the winner crosses the finish end line. This is not only beautiful. but > utterly sublime. Wouldn't you agree? AG * > > > Yes, the multiplication would occur (assuming space continuous). But the > same horse would still be the winner, except perhaps if two horses are so > close that in some universe another one wins the race, due to that location > superposition. Yet, if the horse behaves classically, with respect to their > muscular force and strategy, the winner will be the same in some majority > (say) of worlds. That is a good thing, as it makes it possible for large > creature to have a partial control on their destiny, and take a lift > instead of jumping through a window. Of course such a classical appearance > have to be explained from the quantum formalism, and with mechanism, such > quantum formalism has to be justified from the statistics on many > computations (of all types). > *If you recast the horse race in a quantum context, which shouldn't be too difficult, you will see that your *bias* that all things which are possible to happen, MUST happen, leads to an absurdity. Try this; imagine several electrons fired simultaneously, and the winner is the one which lands at the positive extremity. No broken legs here, but I think one could massage this model to include that as well. AG* > > Bruno > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Everything List" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com. >> > To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. >> > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com > <javascript:>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.