On Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 1:26:20 AM UTC, [email protected] wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 12:18:50 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 30 Dec 2018, at 18:56, [email protected] wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, December 30, 2018 at 12:10:12 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> > On 24 Dec 2018, at 16:29, Mason Green <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > David Deutsch suggested something like this I (that individual >>> universes are discrete, but the multiverse as a whole is continuous). >>> > >>> > “within each universe all observable quantities are discrete, but the >>> multiverse as a whole is a continuum. When the equations of quantum theory >>> describe a continuous but not-directly-observable transition between two >>> values of a discrete quantity, what they are telling us is that the >>> transition does not take place entirely within one universe. So perhaps the >>> price of continuous motion is not an infinity of consecutive actions, but >>> an infinity of concurrent actions taking place across the multiverse.” >>> January, 2001 The Discrete and the Continuous >>> >>> This is consistent with Digital Mechanism, and plausibly mandatory too. >>> The computations evolves discretly, vertically in the universal >>> computational deployment (the tiny sigma_1 arithmetic), but the first >>> person indeterminacy is horizontal and takes into account infinitely many >>> computations. But the precise topology and cardinality remains open >>> problems. >>> >>> Bruno >>> >> >> *Applying this to a horse race, one not only gets dIscrete multiple >> universes, **one for each horse as the winner,* >> >> >> Why? I don’t see this. Horses could be classical machine, in which case >> the same horse is the winner in all, or quasi-all universes. >> > > > *You believe that everything that's possible to happen, must happen; ergo > Many Worlds. Horses are classical objects, so you can reject this example > of the fallacy in your thinking by modeling a situation with similar > outcomes in a quantum setting. AG * >
*I just meant that you can recast the horse race (classical) example into a quantum situation which shows the absurdity of the claim that all possible outcomes MUST be manifest in some universe. AG * > * but assuming space is continuous, an additional uncountable set of >> universes for each winner, where the losers have different positions when >> the winner crosses the finish end line. This is not only beautiful. but >> utterly sublime. Wouldn't you agree? AG * >> >> >> Yes, the multiplication would occur (assuming space continuous). But the >> same horse would still be the winner, except perhaps if two horses are so >> close that in some universe another one wins the race, due to that location >> superposition. Yet, if the horse behaves classically, with respect to their >> muscular force and strategy, the winner will be the same in some majority >> (say) of worlds. That is a good thing, as it makes it possible for large >> creature to have a partial control on their destiny, and take a lift >> instead of jumping through a window. Of course such a classical appearance >> have to be explained from the quantum formalism, and with mechanism, such >> quantum formalism has to be justified from the statistics on many >> computations (of all types). >> > > *If you recast the horse race in a quantum context, which shouldn't be too > difficult, you will see that your *bias* that all things which are possible > to happen, MUST happen, leads to an absurdity. Try this; imagine several > electrons fired simultaneously, and the winner is the one which lands at > the positive extremity. No broken legs here, but I think one could massage > this model to include that as well. AG* > >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> > >>> > -- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
