On Friday, January 25, 2019 at 4:48:38 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 2:03:10 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 12:57:00 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell >> wrote: >>> >>> On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 8:59:42 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 5:54:46 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> My point is that in physics what might be called a halting condition >>>>> is an attractor point or limit cycle. Equilibrium is the terminal point >>>>> in >>>>> the evolution of some system, say thinking according to Landauer's >>>>> original >>>>> paper on thermodynamics and information. The quantum field theory of >>>>> black >>>>> holes has no equilibrium condition. Now if the black hole runs away with >>>>> Hawking radiation it will “explode” in a burst of gamma rays and other >>>>> quanta. A Turing machine that does not halt can also be said to burn >>>>> itself >>>>> out, and if anyone has programmed assembler there were loops you could >>>>> put >>>>> a machine into that might do damage. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry for being slow on this. I forgot to get flu shots this year and >>>>> I have been hit with a real doozy of a flu. Since Sunday night until >>>>> yesterday I was horribly ill, and only now am beginning to feel normal. >>>>> Get >>>>> the shots, you really do not want this flu! >>>>> >>>>> LC >>>>> >>>> >>>> I used to think that there *could be* true hypercomputation (what is >>>> called super-Turing machines) in nature, but now I think that there is no >>>> such thing (but anything remains possible, of course). >>>> >>>> *But the idea of substrate-independent Turing machines is incomplete.* >>>> >>>> I shouldn't say (if will jinx me!) but I've never gotten a flu shot and >>>> I haven't gotten the flu in over 40 years. >>>> >>>> But I hope the flu program doesn't start running in / affect my >>>> substrate! >>>> >>>> - pt >>>> >>> >>> I hate to pop your bubble here, but a few years ago at a New Year's >>> party a person who had cancer go into remission made this statement that >>> she never got colds or flus. A doctor I know was there and responded with >>> how not getting these sicknesses is a risk factor for cancer! The woman >>> died a last summer with the return of her non-Hodgkins lymphoma. >>> >>> Hyper-Turing computations or results are not accessible to local >>> observers. >>> >>> LC >>> >> >> >> >> What about the interviews of people over 100 who say they've never had a >> cold or the flu? >> >> And where are these hyper-Turing processes occurring? >> >> - pt >> > > Hypercomputations run into extreme energy or frequency, so the conclusion > of it occurs in black holes or in trans-Plankian scales we can't observe. > In a sense it is a sort of renormailization and treated as a p-adic > regularization of quantum gravity. > > When it comes to cold and flu I am just echoing what I was told. You would > have to research this out more extensively. > > LC >
I think "hypercomputing" is not needed in the quantum space (LQG) model of black holes (the recent Penn State, LSU model). As for the flu, I'm afraid researching it might jinx me. :) - pt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
