On Friday, January 25, 2019 at 6:06:09 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, January 25, 2019 at 4:48:38 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 2:03:10 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 12:57:00 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 8:59:42 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 5:54:46 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> My point is that in physics what might be called a halting condition >>>>>> is an attractor point or limit cycle. Equilibrium is the terminal point >>>>>> in >>>>>> the evolution of some system, say thinking according to Landauer's >>>>>> original >>>>>> paper on thermodynamics and information. The quantum field theory of >>>>>> black >>>>>> holes has no equilibrium condition. Now if the black hole runs away with >>>>>> Hawking radiation it will “explode” in a burst of gamma rays and other >>>>>> quanta. A Turing machine that does not halt can also be said to burn >>>>>> itself >>>>>> out, and if anyone has programmed assembler there were loops you could >>>>>> put >>>>>> a machine into that might do damage. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry for being slow on this. I forgot to get flu shots this year and >>>>>> I have been hit with a real doozy of a flu. Since Sunday night until >>>>>> yesterday I was horribly ill, and only now am beginning to feel normal. >>>>>> Get >>>>>> the shots, you really do not want this flu! >>>>>> >>>>>> LC >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I used to think that there *could be* true hypercomputation (what is >>>>> called super-Turing machines) in nature, but now I think that there is no >>>>> such thing (but anything remains possible, of course). >>>>> >>>>> *But the idea of substrate-independent Turing machines is incomplete.* >>>>> >>>>> I shouldn't say (if will jinx me!) but I've never gotten a flu shot >>>>> and I haven't gotten the flu in over 40 years. >>>>> >>>>> But I hope the flu program doesn't start running in / affect my >>>>> substrate! >>>>> >>>>> - pt >>>>> >>>> >>>> I hate to pop your bubble here, but a few years ago at a New Year's >>>> party a person who had cancer go into remission made this statement that >>>> she never got colds or flus. A doctor I know was there and responded with >>>> how not getting these sicknesses is a risk factor for cancer! The woman >>>> died a last summer with the return of her non-Hodgkins lymphoma. >>>> >>>> Hyper-Turing computations or results are not accessible to local >>>> observers. >>>> >>>> LC >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> What about the interviews of people over 100 who say they've never had a >>> cold or the flu? >>> >>> And where are these hyper-Turing processes occurring? >>> >>> - pt >>> >> >> Hypercomputations run into extreme energy or frequency, so the conclusion >> of it occurs in black holes or in trans-Plankian scales we can't observe. >> In a sense it is a sort of renormailization and treated as a p-adic >> regularization of quantum gravity. >> >> When it comes to cold and flu I am just echoing what I was told. You >> would have to research this out more extensively. >> >> LC >> > > > I think "hypercomputing" is not needed in the quantum space (LQG) model of > black holes (the recent Penn State, LSU model). > > As for the flu, I'm afraid researching it might jinx me. :) > > - pt >
LQG of course breaks Lorentz symmetry near the Planck scale. The finite elements have reduced diffeomorphic symmetry, and which buries away any such problems. The numerical simulations you reference are a typical case of computer science, input variables in, output variable result. LQG has a hard renormalization UV cutoff that breaks the symmetry of the field. LC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
