On Saturday, January 26, 2019 at 2:25:59 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > > > On Friday, January 25, 2019 at 6:06:09 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, January 25, 2019 at 4:48:38 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >>> >>> On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 2:03:10 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 12:57:00 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 8:59:42 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 5:54:46 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My point is that in physics what might be called a halting condition >>>>>>> is an attractor point or limit cycle. Equilibrium is the terminal point >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> the evolution of some system, say thinking according to Landauer's >>>>>>> original >>>>>>> paper on thermodynamics and information. The quantum field theory of >>>>>>> black >>>>>>> holes has no equilibrium condition. Now if the black hole runs away >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> Hawking radiation it will “explode” in a burst of gamma rays and other >>>>>>> quanta. A Turing machine that does not halt can also be said to burn >>>>>>> itself >>>>>>> out, and if anyone has programmed assembler there were loops you could >>>>>>> put >>>>>>> a machine into that might do damage. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry for being slow on this. I forgot to get flu shots this year >>>>>>> and I have been hit with a real doozy of a flu. Since Sunday night >>>>>>> until >>>>>>> yesterday I was horribly ill, and only now am beginning to feel normal. >>>>>>> Get >>>>>>> the shots, you really do not want this flu! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> LC >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I used to think that there *could be* true hypercomputation (what is >>>>>> called super-Turing machines) in nature, but now I think that there is >>>>>> no >>>>>> such thing (but anything remains possible, of course). >>>>>> >>>>>> *But the idea of substrate-independent Turing machines is incomplete.* >>>>>> >>>>>> I shouldn't say (if will jinx me!) but I've never gotten a flu shot >>>>>> and I haven't gotten the flu in over 40 years. >>>>>> >>>>>> But I hope the flu program doesn't start running in / affect my >>>>>> substrate! >>>>>> >>>>>> - pt >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I hate to pop your bubble here, but a few years ago at a New Year's >>>>> party a person who had cancer go into remission made this statement that >>>>> she never got colds or flus. A doctor I know was there and responded with >>>>> how not getting these sicknesses is a risk factor for cancer! The woman >>>>> died a last summer with the return of her non-Hodgkins lymphoma. >>>>> >>>>> Hyper-Turing computations or results are not accessible to local >>>>> observers. >>>>> >>>>> LC >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What about the interviews of people over 100 who say they've never had >>>> a cold or the flu? >>>> >>>> And where are these hyper-Turing processes occurring? >>>> >>>> - pt >>>> >>> >>> Hypercomputations run into extreme energy or frequency, so the >>> conclusion of it occurs in black holes or in trans-Plankian scales we can't >>> observe. In a sense it is a sort of renormailization and treated as a >>> p-adic regularization of quantum gravity. >>> >>> When it comes to cold and flu I am just echoing what I was told. You >>> would have to research this out more extensively. >>> >>> LC >>> >> >> >> I think "hypercomputing" is not needed in the quantum space (LQG) model >> of black holes (the recent Penn State, LSU model). >> >> As for the flu, I'm afraid researching it might jinx me. :) >> >> - pt >> > > LQG of course breaks Lorentz symmetry near the Planck scale. The finite > elements have reduced diffeomorphic symmetry, and which buries away any > such problems. The numerical simulations you reference are a typical case > of computer science, input variables in, output variable result. LQG has a > hard renormalization UV cutoff that breaks the symmetry of the field. > > LC > > In LQG, or quantum space models in general, the *Lorenz group* [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_group ] would be replaced by a different mathematics.
*All of the mathematics of conventional physics has to be "quantized" all the way down.* - pt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
