On Saturday, February 2, 2019 at 12:58:14 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote:
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> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 1:54:15 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
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>> On 2/1/2019 5:52 AM, Philip Thrift wrote:
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>> In any case, one of the "micropsychists"  has a new paper just out:
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>> "According to the *fusion* view ... when micro- or protoconscious 
>> entities come together in the right way, they fuse or 'blend' together to 
>> form a single unified consciousness. ..."
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>> *Is Consciousness Intrinsic? A Problem for the Integrated Information 
>> Theory*
>> Hedda Hassel Mørch
>> Journal of Consciousness Studies 26 (1-2):133-162(30) (2019)
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>> https://philpapers.org/rec/MRCICI
>> https://philpapers.org/archive/MRCICI.pdf
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>> *Abstract*
>> The Integrated Information Theory of consciousness (IIT) claims that 
>> consciousness is identical to maximal integrated information, or maximal Φ. 
>> One objection to IIT is based on what may be called the intrinsicality 
>> problem: consciousness is an intrinsic property, but maximal Φ is an 
>> extrinsic property; therefore, they cannot be identical. 
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>> A more cogent objection is that it attributes lots of consciousness to a 
>> Vandermonde matrix:
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>> https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1799
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>> Brent
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> Scott Aaronson wrote this about 5 years ago. I haven't looked if he has 
> has anything new.
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> Regarding informationism vs. panpsychism, he only addresses the former.
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> *I’ve just conjured into my imagination beings whose Φ-values are a 
> thousand, nay a trillion times larger than humans’, yet who are also 
> philosophical zombies: entities that there’s nothing that it’s like to be.*
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> That of course panpsychists agree with.
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> He procedes:
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> *Let S=F_p, where p is some prime sufficiently larger than n, and let V be 
> an n×n Vandermonde matrix over F_p—that is, a matrix whose (i,j) entry 
> equals i^(j-1) (mod p).  Then let f:S^n→S^n be the update function defined 
> by f(x)=Vx. *
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> Concludes: *the fact that Integrated Information Theory is 
> wrong—demonstrably wrong, for reasons that go to its core—puts it in 
> something like the top 2% of all mathematical theories of consciousness 
> ever proposed.*
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> Now here is where panpsychists diverge from this way of thinking: 
> Everything Scott wrote above involves ultimately computing with numerical 
> entities as the "atoms" (so to speak) of what the "computer" is computing 
> with. What the panpsychists are saying is that it is not numerical entities 
> (numericals: Ns) at all that are at the base of the computing, but 
> experiential entities (experientials: Es). *Es are as basic 
> (ontologically) as Ns*.
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> *Defining what Es are* is the fundamental problem for panpsychists (vs. 
> numerists, or informationists).
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> - pt
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The commenters to Scott's post seem to try to get into this with 
ψ-properties vs. Φ-properties.

- pt

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