> On 16 May 2019, at 14:52, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > This is what I call one form of consciousness denial > > https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/03/13/the-consciousness-deniers/ > <https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/03/13/the-consciousness-deniers/> > > in that information processing absent actual first-class entities of qualia > (or experiences) can only produce zombies. One needs information processing > operating in a material substrate where those entities are available to be > combined and manipulated.
What is that material substrate, and what is its role in consciousness? Bruno > > @philipthrift > > On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 7:05:53 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > The question is why does it supervene on the brain and not on the elbow. > What about the brain causes it to "make experiences"? Most scientists think > it is because the brain does computations, i.e. information processing, which > is more extensive and complex that the elbow does. Which leads to Bruno's > argument that if it is the information processing that produces mind, then > mind can be instantiated by any sufficiently complex computer+program. Since > he believes in arithmetical realism, and since all possible computations > exist implicitly in arithmetic, it follows that all possible thoughts already > exist in arithmetic and we can explain reality as some particular subset of > those thoughts. > > Brent > > > On 5/16/2019 12:54 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 6:55:08 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote: >> mind supervenes on the brain >> Bruce >> >> >> The heart* pumps blood. >> The brain pumps experiences. >> >> The brain is an experience pump! >> >> * Actually it's more complex: blood cells are made in bone marrow signaled >> by the kidneys and recycled by the spleen. Do it's >> kidneys+marrow+spleen+heart that make and pump blood. The brain makes and >> pumps experiences. >> >> @philipthrift > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9f7ff9f1-a20f-4bc3-baee-a9f01dfb1a62%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9f7ff9f1-a20f-4bc3-baee-a9f01dfb1a62%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CD85979E-D7B0-4475-A6EA-4BB5614D54A5%40ulb.ac.be.
