> On 20 May 2019, at 12:09, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Monday, May 20, 2019 at 5:01:20 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 16 May 2019, at 14:52, Philip Thrift <[email protected] <javascript:>> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> This is what I call one form of consciousness denial >> >> https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/03/13/the-consciousness-deniers/ >> <https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/03/13/the-consciousness-deniers/> >> >> in that information processing absent actual first-class entities of qualia >> (or experiences) can only produce zombies. One needs information processing >> operating in a material substrate where those entities are available to be >> combined and manipulated. > > > What is that material substrate, and what is its role in consciousness? > > Bruno > > > > > A substrate (or stuff) like the one you (or myself, at least) are living and > breathing in right at this moment.
But I can access only my phenomenological perception of it. If that is what you call “stuff” I have no problem, as arithmetic alone explains entirely why I have such kind of experience, without any need to commit myself in some special ontology. It has no role in my consciousness outside of being the content of my consciousness, if I may say. It plays an historical role in my “human” consciousness, but that one is very temporary, and it borrows my more general consciousness shared with all universal machine “living” in the arithmetical reality. Bruno > > @philipthrift > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5d55abbc-b237-47d7-b846-ba0ad9ae5005%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5d55abbc-b237-47d7-b846-ba0ad9ae5005%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/F4A1863F-1929-41C4-9325-0BC18017DBCF%40ulb.ac.be.
