On Monday, January 20, 2020 at 6:22:28 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 1/20/2020 4:51 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, January 20, 2020 at 5:27:35 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 1/20/2020 3:29 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> > IF it has a beginning, it didn't exist prior to that beginning, so it >> > couldn't ever be infinite thereafter because the expansion occurs at a >> > finite rate >> >> There's an implicit assumption that it could not have come into >> existence as infinite...but it could have come into existence as >> finite. Why is the latter OK but not the former? >> >> Brent >> > > If it was finite or infinite at T = 0, it "began" before T = 0. AG > > > Now you're obfuscating. Nobody said anything about T=0 which you now > throw out with no definition. >
Call it what you like. It's a symbol for the start or beginning. AG > The question is why do think something finite can come into existence but > something infinite can't. > It if were finite or infinite "at the beginning", it existed before then, as finite or infinite. I am assuming that it didn't exist before it began! You want to have your cake and eat it. AG You're just prejudiced against infinite things? > No. I just don't believe finite processes in finite times can have infinite results. This is really so simple. Why can't you see it? Voting for Trump?. AG |But if that's the answer, why allow for anything infinite, either in time or rate or extent? |You seem to want to argue that only a closed, positively curved universe is possible. No. If our universe didn't have a beginning, it wouldn't necessarily be closed and positively curved. AG |If you simply reject the possibility of infinite extent then you can conclude that... I don't .What I'm rejecting is a universe with a beginning AND infinite in spatial extent. AG |not need to argue about beginnings or rate of expansion or anything else. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/0b3ed03d-dd0e-4d12-a28c-ed153c8b385a%40googlegroups.com.
