On 1/20/2020 4:51 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:
On Monday, January 20, 2020 at 5:27:35 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote:
On 1/20/2020 3:29 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:
> IF it has a beginning, it didn't exist prior to that beginning,
so it
> couldn't ever be infinite thereafter because the expansion
occurs at a
> finite rate
There's an implicit assumption that it could not have come into
existence as infinite...but it could have come into existence as
finite. Why is the latter OK but not the former?
Brent
If it was finite or infinite at T = 0, it "began" before T = 0. AG
Now you're obfuscating. Nobody said anything about T=0 which you now
throw out with no definition. The question is why do think something
finite can come into existence but something infinite can't. You're
just prejudiced against infinite things? But if that's the answer, why
allow for anything infinite, either in time or rate or extent? You seem
to want to argue that only a closed, positively curved universe is
possible. If you simply reject the possibility of infinite extent then
you can conclude that...not need to argue about beginnings or rate of
expansion or anything else.
Brent
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