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What's Akasha's name again.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:06
PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re:
Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv.
Do
Maybe you hit the wrong post. This post was Akasha
responding to an
Anon who what commenting on an Akasha post. No Jim
involved in this
particular post. And no Tom. And Akasha is a guy.
--- In [email protected],
"Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...>
wrote:
> I was responding to Jim responding to Lup responding to god
knows
what. What's your name again? I always thought Akasha was a woman.
Are
you a man now?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: akasha_108
> To:
[email protected]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11,
2005 9:26 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality:
Outward Projection vs.
Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do
>
>
> To which Prick are you referring? Neither is a
Tom to my knowledge.
> (There are so many anons who would
know if one were Tom.) And Akasha
> is not a Tom.
>
> Regardless, your comments bear at least a slight sense of
irony.
>
>
>
>
> --- In
[email protected], "Llundrub"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > Tom you think you're
such a fucking expert about everything. But you
> know what?
You're more miserable than you were two years ago. You
used
> to not be a know it all and you were nice. Now you're
a know it all
> and you're a prick. Surely enlightenment
didn't result in more thorns?
> > -----
Original Message -----
> > From: akasha_108
> > To: [email protected]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:29
PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re:
Individuality: Outward Projection vs.
> Inner Subjective
Sense of No Indiv. Do
> >
> >
> > --- In [email protected],
anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
wrote:
> > > In my experience, it is fun
to contemplate such issues. And
thank
> >
> you to each and every one of you who contributed to this
thread.
> > >
>
> > But, having noticed that even deep immersement in these
ideas
> over a
> > >
period of years has not resulted in a gestalt awakening to
what is
> > > really happening here, I go about
my business as usual. Such
> > >
metaphysical questions appear to get burnt up in the
searing
> heat of
> > >
life lived in the present.
> > >
> > > I have heard that some do awaken to
the true nature of
things as a
> > >
result of this kind of self-inquiry, and so, do not condemn it
> > > outright. But I wonder sometimes at
its utility. In under an
> hour, I
>
> > am sure that someone familiar with the various
conceptual
nuances
> > > and schools
of thought on the topics of I, ego, doer,
> individuality,
> > > self etc., could lay them all out
so that anyone of reasonably
> > >
developed intellect could grasp the ideas and check on how
well
> they
> > >
relate to their own experience. After that, what is the point,
> > > unless it is to check in once every
few years to see if one's
> > >
perspective has changed due to the clearing of fog or the
shifting
> > > of mirrors?
>
>
> > (Sorry Akasha for this linear
thinking, non-gestalt
> > > conclusion -
I don't fully mean it...am just stating how I
feel at
>
> > the moment.)
> >
> >
> > For the most
part, the intellect thinks in a sequential, linear
>
> fashion. I am not advocating anyone to try to abondon that
at
all -- I
> > don't think thats
possible. What does occur at times though,
is that
>
> after examining various parts of a puzzle, in a systematic,
linear
> > fashion, the various parts can
"flash" -- fuse in new ways,
providing
> >
new insight.
> >
> >
Sometimes the linear analysis and (sometimes) subsequent
"flash"
are
> > based on symbolic processing -- that
is, its a logical
refinement and
> >
manipulation of concepts / abstractions -- sort of like solving
an
> > algebraic equations where the
variables are concepts.
Concepts and
> >
abstractions are the "content" of the processing.
> >
> > On the other hand, a different type of
linear processing can
occur,
> > also
resulting in a, often later, gestalt-typr flash. However,
now
the
> > elements being processed, the
content, the data being crunched, is
> >
experiential. Or, sometimes a mixture of conceptual elelments
and
> > experiential elements. The post
linear analysis phase, the
"flash" --
> >
fuses concepts and/or experience in new relationships and
can
result
> > in a new experiential
foundation.
> >
> >
The best analogy I can think of to explain the fusion
of
conceptual
> > and experiential
elements -- each originally approached in
very linear
>
> systematic fashion, and it is only an analogy, is in
learning
a new
> > skill or sport. For
example, for those that play tennis, a
top-spin
>
> serve becomes a valuable tool -- particularly as a
second
serve. It
> > almost always goes
in, even when hit full force, and can be
made to
>
> bounce so high to an opponent's weaker side that it is hard
to
return
> > -- and further, can get the
opponent out of position.
> >
>
> When I was a kid and a teacher explained the top-spin serve
to
me, I
> > didnt get it. I got the
concept, I got the mechanics. But I
could not
>
> "do it", I couldn't make it an experience. Later, some time
later,
> > fooling around, I found I could
make my serves really "kick"
by doing
> >
this "thing" that I could not explain, but could do. Some
time
later,
> > the concept and the
experience fused in a flash, and I
tealized what
>
> I was doing was a self-learned top-spin serve. I then reused
the
> > conceptual understanding of top-spin
to refine and clarify the
> > mechanics of
the "experience" and the feel of doing it. Soon,
it was
>
> just locked in.
> >
> > The point is, you don't attempt to think
gestaltly, nonlinearly. I
> > don't know how
to do that -- other than to set up the
conditions that
>
> let that happen. And that is to sharply look at
different
parts of an
> > issue or problem
in a linear systematic fashion. And then, in
a sense,
>
> let go. And in time, sometimes, or often, a more
holistic,
> > multi-component (symbols and
/or experiential elements) creat a
> >
"flash" of insight, almost as if the fusion of the
elements
creates
> > energy and light.
> >
> > The broader
point is that I have found that periodically
>
> systematically and intensely examining the components of
the
identity
> > / ownership / ego /
consciousness puzzle, looking at and
questioning
>
> different views, various conceptual elements begand to flash
/
fuse --
> > and over time these
"insights" flashed/fused with experiential
>
> elements. The result is that it is a clear experience
that
there is no
> > driver to this
machine, no-doer in charge of this apparatus
>
> (intellect, mind, senses, motor skills): that the apparati
are
> > intelligent self-adaptive, ever
learning, ever-correcting,
> >
self-suficient, yet intertwined, interacting elements.
>
>
> > This process is not adharmic, its
not a muddle.
> >
> >
And in particular that the decider, the intellect, the buddhi,
the
> > pre-frontal cortex mechanisms, are
not in charge. Nothing is.
Other
> > than
the design of the apparati. Which may be "intelligent
design"
or
> > "evolutionary design" -- it doesn't
matter. The point is the
apparati
> > has
an inherently powerful design that dynamically moves
forward,
and
> > self-corrects, by many means, many
learned -- and thus (its
> >
corrective,self-balancing mechanisms) are expanding and
becoming
more
> > subtle and
natural.
> >
> > What
remains, beyond the apparati unfolding according to
its
nature
> > and design, is that
glow/light of awareness -- devoid of content,
>
> self-sufficient.
> >
> > This all may have nothing to do with the
awakening or
realization that
> > others
report. It may have little to do with what various texts
>
> report. However, it is a clear experience of no-doer, no
driver to
> > this machine, and an awareness
of awareness which is not
distorted by
> >
what is seen, or done or thought.
> >
> > The process that cultivated this is not
adharmic, its not a
muddle, it
> > is not
a waste of time.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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