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> On Apr 23, 2006, at 4:40 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote:
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> > Because its inconvenient? To have some non-subjective
> > non-self-interpreative means to point to higher states?
> >
> > Objective reality gets in the way of some story-tellers -- which to
> > them [the stories] form a higher truth than measurement, multi-party
> > verification or repeatability.
> >
> > Fred Travis' work is interesting. Though I have not dug that deeply
> > into it. But physiological correlates to higher states and "more
> > refined functioning of the nervous system" has always a theme with
> > MMY, even back in the 60s.
> >
> > Its not clear why many appear so harsh, or negatively reactive about
> > MMY's theme of siddhi's performance and higher states. (And I have
> > heard him say it.)
>
> As was shared on here a while back, even in recent times when masters
> have claimed enlightenment, the test almost always involved some
> performance of siddhi.
>
> Since yogic flying belongs to yoga-darshana, it's only sensible to
> say that's part of CC a la Patanjali, not Brahmi-chetana (Unity).
As I recall it, he was referring to siddhis and clear ritam as the
acid test for CC (around 76-77). Others in later years (80s) appear to
have heard him say these are an acid test for unity. Not necessarily
contradictory statements. Or the latter could be a misinterpretation.
I always thought that manfiesting some simple "siddhis" at will, such
as kindness, compassion, non-defensiveness, non-ownership,
imperviousness to insults, non-reactivity, etc. were signs of some
"growth" -- albeit perhaps minor -- of consciousness being aware of
itself for some sustained periods. (Not that these are 24/7
characteristics of cc, but as something parallel to "minor siddhis",
can be manifest at will.)
I would look to those simple manifestations prior to the manifestation
of clear ritam and formal siddhis. And I would look for the latter
prior to self-claims of enlightenement.
But I am clearly old skewl. Not very neo.
> >
> > Its not clear why Fred and his gear are not invited to Satsangs. Maybe
> > he has been. Or maybe its the same propensity for stories over
> > measurement, multi-party verification or repeatability.
>
> Interesting question!
I am sure funding could be raised if that is the issue.
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