--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > During the period prior to the arrival of 'TBers' from Alt.Med I > personally preferred the level of intelligent discussions here at > FFL. Since that time things have tended to get more 'in your face' > (as they tended to be at alt.med), an attitude that militates against > confortable casual exchanges. But perhaps Peter is correct when he > suggested the problem lies in the fact that the core topics about TM > & MMY have already been dealt with, over and over again. > However, the notion that FFL is a contest between 'True Believers' & > those who are opposed to them is poppycock, it is just too simplistic > a way to look at it. In fact, personally, I find I tend to agree with > most people who post here at some time or another about something, & > I sense that others do too. If there is a contest here, it is more > about who can appear to be smarter than someone else, which is just > so-o-o-o dull. >
WEeelllll.... The stuff that has already been dealt with is often dealt with in a piss-poor manner. Let's take the claim that TM research is discredited... For example, in one court case, a guy named Denaro gave a sworn affidavit where he claimed that during his time at MIU as Grants Director, he came to realize that everyone was a liar, etc. As one of the contributors to the WIkipedia Transcendental Meditation entry, I did some fact-checking. He certainly made these claims... In 1986, about the 18 month period he spent at MUM in 1975-76, 5 years before the school attained accreditation. Coincidentally, all the research that was bad, wrong, deceptive, etc., that he encountered, during his time as Grants Director at MIU amounts to a single study published by Michael Dillback in 1977, and I'm not convinced that THAT study was done out of MIU either. No other peer reviewed research was published by any researcher assoicated with MIU at that time (Dillbeck, Orme-Johnson, Wallace) until 198 after the school was accredited. The only studies you'll find are the in-house stuff published in Collected Papers Vol I, and everyone agrees that that is a pretty poor source of research material, but those studies were published in-house and probably didn't get any grants money so Denaro rightfully shouldn't have referred to them as though he knew something about them on a professional level. Incidentally, Denaro's sworn 1976 affidavit goes on to say: "In his more subtle and very sophisticated way Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and his charlatanism is [sic] a far more destructive and dangerous cult leader than Jim Jones who induced more than 900 people to commit suicide in Guyana." My impression is, this turns out to be the quality of reference that people here use to hash out these points "over and over again." BTW, Wiki isn't considered the most reliable of online sources of info, and by Wiki rules, NONE of the Sexy Sadie files is admissable as a reference because it's not published anywhere. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > <snip> > > > > I usually just say what I have to say and that's it. If there's > > > > some enjoyable or worthwhile correspondence after a comment, > I'll > > > > add some, if I feel it's constructive. Otherwise I don't > bother, > > > > esp. since this list has gone rather down hill. So know I won't > > > > usually respond to set ups or the miscast points as in current > > > > threads. I just shake my head and move on. > > > > > > Good excuse. Declare the challenges to what you say > > > "miscast," shake your head, and move on, and then > > > nobody will ever know whether you actually have a basis > > > for dismissing them. > > > > > > (Just imagine Vaj's contempt if someone he is pleased > > > to label a TB proffered such an excuse for not dealing > > > with a challenge. It's interesting that the so-called > > > TBs here are usually willing to address challenges and > > > actually have a discussion, but many of the TNBs are > > > not.) > > > > > > > I've been told that the TBers have ruined the list. I guess no-one > likes to hear their NEW > > belief-system challenged by people who embrace the old one... > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
