I completely agree tom and indeed am in a rather similar position where Hal is concerned, sinse though the initial license for version five was bought for me ten years ago as part of my university equipment grant, I've sinse then personally bought all the version upgrades myself out of my own money, ---- though sinse starting my phd for complicated burocratic reasons I have managed to wangle a couple out of my disabled students allowence, though i didn't expect this.

I'll quite probably be paying the 130 quid for Hal 12 in the next 18 months or so.

Btw, yes, once you've bought the initial Hal license, it's yours forever and ever amen, on up to three machines, with new keys when you want them, and there's no need to rebuy it. In fact, while my brother has decided he's happy with windows default magnification and thus hasn't updated his supernova license in about nine years and is stil running version six, sinse my mum wishes a screen reader and magnifyer on her computer i've found that while roughly twice the price of a normal single version upgrade to bring it up to version 11, my brother's license is stil perfectly valid despite it being such a long time.

The Jaws business about having to rebuy the license if you don't pay for version upgrades has always struck me as really quite strange, ---- not to say rather stingy.

Beware the grue!

Dark.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Ward" <thomasward1...@gmail.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 2:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen reader support in BGT


Hi Dark,

Yeah, I know. It is just the everybody uses Jaws attitude that gets
under my skin, because not everybody uses it. Yes, i have it, but only
because it was paid for by a state agency when they were trying to
help me get through college and find employment. It wasn't by personal
choice. I have obtained another screen reader, Window-eyes, by
personal choice so naturally I favor it more since I'm the guy who fit
the bill for it and wanted it. To have someone snub my choice by using
Jaws only would be an insult much as it would be to a Hal user like
yourself.

On 1/20/11, dark <d...@xgam.org> wrote:
I agree completely tom, but I don't really think this is Philip's problem, afterall he's essentially just providing the tools for the job, not saying
how people should use them.

if someone did just write in Jaws support because they believed most people
used jaws and were too lazy to change things, ---- well it's up to myself
and all the other none jaws users to point out to them that they're being a prat, ---- as in fact I did when during my first examination of muds back in
2004, I asked about screen reader support and was sent a bunch of jaws
script files, rather sad actually sinse this put me completely off muds at the time, but I now Know I could've run mushclient quite successfully with
Sapi, ---- especially sinse the particular mud I was trying to play was
Alterean.

The most Philip could do would be to write some advice in the bgt
documentation, ---- but whether people take it would be their own fault
really.

Beware the Grue!

Dark.

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