Folks -
On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 02:17:25PM +0200, Christoph Rauch wrote:
> Tom Rathborne schrieb:
> > > So this really could have been a "chicken and egg" problem.
> > Yes, it seemed very "chicken and egg" to me. That's why I just
> > started doing something on my own. I have already made about half
> > of the decisions in Christoph's excellent list -- but I doubt that
> > most people will agree with all of those decisions. Maybe someone
> > will find _something_ useful in what I have done.
> Then please share your decisions you have done so far. Describe what
> language do you use, what layout, andsoon. We could then avoid
> making duplicate efforts.
>
> I will then put up a second list with "done-so-fars" and "todos".
Nobody's decided to do anything with my system so don't take any of my
decisions as final! *grin*
> Another thing that comes to my mind is i10n. When designing the
> content-enginge one should keep that in mind. We could have a
> documents in various languages on one page. The language would be
> selected by the browsers preferences.
As Raphael pointed out, Apache does this very nicely. I suspect that
my stuff would have to be hacked on a bit more to be internationalized
properly ... but not a whole lot more.
On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 05:13:54PM +0200, Christoph Rauch wrote:
> I have updated my lists at http://home.bn-paf.de/smokey/gimp_org/
Here are the choices that I've made:
> 3. Go through various planning stages and then start working.
> 1. Layout
> 1. How should the site look like (look and feel)
> 1. Appearance
> 1. Clean and cool
> 2. Dark and dirty
> 3. Nice and fluffy
> 4. other idea...
Pink and cyan pastels with titles that look like silly putty.
However, it's pretty simple to change that and then nuke all the
cached content pages and have a new look for the site.
> 2. In-detail design
> 1. Mark of links going to off-site pages.
> 2. Icons
> 3. Style-sheets
> 4. lots of other stuff...
Most of this stuff falls into the category of 'content', really.
> 2. Do we need a new logo for the site?
> 1. Something with Wilber?
> 2. Something like the current splash-screen?
Good idea.
> 3. How do we structure the site?
> 1. New directory layout?
> 2. Navigation
> 3. Useability
> 4. Accessability
> 5. (insert your favourite buzzword here :-))
I like my navigation layout - expanding tree with bold indicating
current path and an arrow indicating the current page. It looks ok
on Lynx and w3m and a bunch of graphical browsers.
> 2. Software
> 1. What do we want to do?
> 1. Post News, Articles, ChangeLogs
We can grab the news in RDF format from Xach's site, but yes, in
general, there should be a system to help us manage articles.
> 2. Show The GIMPto new users
> 3. Provide the users with:
> 1. Tutorials
> 2. Plugins
> 3. Scripts, Perls, and other FUs
> 4. Source Code / Binaries
> 5. Palettes / Textures / and so on
Yes, there should be a resource management system.
> 4. Be able to change parts of the site without having to
> learn all the website-code.
Got that.
> 2. What do we NOT want to do?
> 1. Become a "programmer-page" with no look, but lots of
> functions.
> 2. Become a fscking portal which does everything except
> cooking good coffee.
I do have a Yahoo-style link database, which I think is worth having,
but I agree that it shouldn't be a portal.
> 3. Leave the web-site as it is today.
> 3. How do we want it to be done?
> 1. Stick with current system
> 1. Reevaluate
It's not that bad, but not very much fun to look at.
> 2. Install a new Apache with certain modules
> 1. Use a CMS (Content Management System... buzzbuzz! ;-))
> 1. Which one?
CVS. :)
> 2. Code it for ourself
> 1. Active HTML
> 1. Perl (mod_perl)
I'm using mod_perl along with my own template and page
generation/caching system.
> 2. Python
> 3. PHP
> 4. Use templates! (Seperate code and HTML)
Yes! My stuff keeps the Perl in .pm files where it belongs.
Much of it is documented in POD too!
> 2. Static HTML
> 1. WML Website Meta Language
> 1. Would allow us mirroring
> 2. Use templates!
> 3. Use a mix of both?
> 1. WML&Perl, WML&Python, WML&PHP???
> 1. Would allow us mirroring of static
> pages with links to main site for the
> active ones
> 2. Use ... you know what.
> 4. Databases
> 1. MySQL
> 2. PostgreSQL
I'm using PostgreSQL but that's just because that's what I developed
it with. :)
> 3. No database at all?
> 4. How do we NOT want it to be done?
> 1. Use Win2k/IIS with ASP and M$ SQL ;-))
> 3. Content
> 1. The new pages should be tested on some place like
> http://newstuff.gimp.org/
> 2. Check Layout in various browsers
> 1. Important ones:
> 1. Mozilla
> 2. Lynx
Don't forget w3m and Links for text mode and Konqueror and Opera for
graphical.
> 2. No so important ones:
> 1. Netscape
> 2. IE
> 3. But then... thats my opinion. ;-))
> 3. Migrate old contents over to new site.
> 1. Be sure that they fit in new page structure
> 2. Check link integrity to off-site pages
Off-site links should be checked regularly and automatically.
> 4. Insert new contents
> 1. Here a CMS (be it selfcoded or used) would be nice to
> work with.
> 2. Integrate with plugin-registry?
> 3. Integrate with tutorial-pages?
> 4. Integrate with script-fu-pages?
> 5. Integrate with our ftp site?
> 6. something else?
Yes, it would be easy to write modules to talk to any of those
systems.
> 5. Recruit some editors
> 1. Let the site always be up to date.
> 2. Let the site sound highly official! :-)
Good idea.
> 6. Swap newstuff with oldstuff, and oldstuff with /dev/null
> or museum .
> 4. Lay back and rest. :-))
I can do that too.
Cheers,
Tom
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