Thank you for Monday's laugh! One is allowed. Two would be lethal.// I wasn't sure this thought would get through but I would like to read along in this group. I am a grandmother so somewhat protected from foolish fancy even in the lusty month of May. I lust after William Safire. :-) Anyway, thanks for the welcome.//
On May 4, 10:35�am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > Ah, the voice of the jaded. > > Welcome, Rigsy. Care to tell us a story? > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:rigsy03 <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 4 May 2009 06:16:08 -0700 > (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 8:16�amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: What is the nature > of Love? > > Love is a myth and marketing tool. > > On May 4, 8:10 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Not always, but definitely at least sometimes. There is much healing in a > > loving touch. > > > [ Attached Message ]From:Rosey <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > > <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 4 May 2009 05:53:04 -0700 > > (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 7:53 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: What is the > > nature of Love? > > > Is affection healing? Can a person kiss and hug the pain away? I > > believe this tactic works. But for some it does not. > > > On May 4, 8:41 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I think I understand and I do appreciate your words here Vam. We all, > > > each of us, deserve to be surrounded by those that love us > > > unconditionally, and allow us to be who we are as we evolve and > > > awaken. The key for me has been to provide this to those around me. I > > > have found that in doing so, I am surrounded by folks who can love in > > > the same way. This does not mean that I allow myself to be exploited > > > or abused, because I think that a part of unconditional love is > > > bringing such behavior by the other to light, and then moving away > > > from it, allowing the other to learn or not. There are times when > > > compassion is enough and the relationship becoming peripheral is in > > > perfect order. Your unconditional love then includes honesty, > > > appreciation and psychological safety for all. These can be provided > > > through deep intimacy or great distance. There is a grace that leads > > > the way. > > > > On May 4, 12:49 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > " Affection, in all forms, is an extremely valuable and important part > > > > of the relationship to me ... " > > > > > And Grace, both while giving to and receiving from ... But, valuable > > > > and important as they are, these are still the atmospherics. The > > > > crucial part is the quality of ' being ' individuals sense within > > > > themselves, and the opportunity they have to ' be ' themselves, to > > > > grow and evolve and continue to transform the ' I - Space ' within to > > > > greater sense of strength, happiness, freedom and self - discovery. > > > > > We are all striving for that rich and pregnant ground of ' I - space ' > > > > in which our finitude dissolves. The others are important to us, in > > > > this context, for the atmospherics they cause or contribute to. It can > > > > aid or mar the ' awakening.' > > > > > We each love the other, for the love of our Self ! > > > > > ( I waited long before punching the ' Send ' button, wondering if what > > > > I'm posting makes any sense. Even, if it is appropriate ? ) > > > > > On May 4, 7:57 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I think (a very necessary disclaimer in topics such as these) that > > > > > the secret may be to only require commitment from your partner, to > > > > > continue to freely be who you are, and expect the same from them, and > > > > > to strive for the happy balance of compromise and acceptance in the > > > > > places where friction inevitably occurs. Sometimes we align ourselves > > > > > with partners who have drastically different life goals, and that's > > > > > simply not possible. Other times our partners, or we ourselves, are > > > > > in a self destructive place which is simply not conducive to a > > > > > healthy relationship. If, however, we are both aligned similarly, and > > > > > both committed to that goal, then a zen state of love, where it is > > > > > not questioned, but simply is, seems to me to be the path to a long > > > > > term bliss. > > > > > > If everyday, despite the day I've had, I make the effort to express > > > > > some portion of Eros energy to my partner, even if in no other form > > > > > than text message, I've "been", in the zen sense, affirmed the love, > > > > > made it be by being it. When that is affirmed in reply, that circle > > > > > is completed. The actual physical expenditure of the ritual is > > > > > miniscule, yet the effect is powerful. > > > > > > Affection, in all forms, is an extremely valuable and important part > > > > > of the relationship to me, which Is just one of the many ides of Love > > > > > I inherit from my Father. He's still married to my Mom, and from all > > > > > appearances, still in love with her in an Eros kind of way. :-D It's > > > > > a strong archetype to have in your head of what a long term love can > > > > > be. I can't imagine the idea of my Father being unfaithful to my Mom. > > > > > It's inconceivable to me. > > > > > > It strikes me Neil that one of the problems with Love is that most of > > > > > the wisdom about it doesn't come until our later years, and many of > > > > > us either don't have a proper Sage around, or are a bit too damn fool > > > > > hardy in our youths to listen if we do. > > > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:archytas <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds > > > > > Eye\"" <[email protected]>Date:Sun, 3 May 2009 18:30:21 > > > > > -0700 (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 6:30 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: What > > > > > is the nature of Love? > > > > > > There is some thinking that love is over-stated and leads to over- > > > > > expectation, perhaps rather strangely making loving relationship more > > > > > difficult than it needs to be. Raising any of us fallible humans to a > > > > > golden pedestal is to put whoever it is before a fall. One can > > > > > certainly be loving and it appears this can be reciprocal, though I'd > > > > > expect this to be less than perfect or bound in mutual illusions. > > > > > Freedom from exploitation seems key to me, along with some form of > > > > > understanding on equality. I can say that I wish I had been better > > > > > able to enjoy sex earlier in my life through some decent education > > > > > about it. > > > > > > On 4 May, 01:07, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Exactly, trust is essential to the bond, it is the adhesive quality > > > > > > that transforms two into one. The bond can be broken and repaired > > > > > > but > > > > > > it forever has the crack that remains a visible detraction and > > > > > > possibly a perpetual doubt which can fester at anytime under testing > > > > > > situations, such as out of town overnight business meetings or the > > > > > > introduction of a past friend, literally anything can set off the > > > > > > process of relationship erosion. I can only wish that everyone would > > > > > > find that special soul mate and live happily ever after. > > > > > > > On May 3, 3:54 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I agree completely about fidelity. For some, a dip in another > > > > > > > pool provides added excitement...but for me, it cracks the > > > > > > > foundation of the love I have, irreparably, no matter which > > > > > > > person is to blame. Trust is key for me, and without > > > > > > > faithfulness, there is no trust. > > > > > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:Slip Disc <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds > > > > > > > Eye\"" <[email protected]>Date:Sun, 3 May 2009 12:48:43 > > > > > > > -0700 (PDT)Local:Sun, May 3 2009 2:48 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: > > > > > > > What is the nature of Love? > > > > > > > > It must be Chris being that you posted twice on it, lol, thanks. > > > > > > > > I might add that much of my feelings at this point are based on > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > fact that she is without exception my best friend in the world. > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > monogamy issue for me is moot as I would hurt as much as she > > > > > > > would, > > > > > > > and mutually so. I guess in that sense the love factor reveals > > > > > > > itself > > > > > > > to be the core driven emotion that keeps us together. When that > > > > > > > emotion is present, the thought of infidelity never enters the > > > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > Love, being faithful, gives relationships integrity and provides a > > > > > > > sound platform on which to continue building. Newly founded > > > > > > > relationships or marriages are like a complete white circle that > > > > > > > accumulates black spots for each little transgression, larger > > > > > > > spots > > > > > > > for more serious infractions. As time goes by the circle may seem > > > > > > > more black than white and the imbalance weighs heavier on the > > > > > > > side of > > > > > > > failure due to the loss of integrity, eventually with nothing > > > > > > > left the > > > > > > > relationship collapses. We can fantasize all we want about how > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > greener the grass is on the other side but truth is it takes > > > > > > > mutual > > > > > > > effort no matter where the grass is. I would venture to guess that > > > > > > > there is that one perfect soul mate relationship out there > > > > > > > waiting for > > > > > > > us to find it, that being the hardest part of it all. > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 11:45 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I think this is my favorite post from you ever, Slip. > > > > > > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:Slip Disc > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>Date:Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:24:10 > > > > > > > > -0700 (PDT)Local:Wed, Apr 29 2009 11:24 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] > > > > > > > > Re: What is the nature of Love? > > > > > > > > > I don't know that I could identify with true love anymore, not > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > way I did 40 years ago when the heart was expendable for the > > > > > > > > sake of > > > > > > > > the other, when self didn't matter and all the other feelings > > > > > > > > we have > > > > > > > > when "Love" takes over. Sometimes I wish I could have been more > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > way I am today back then as it would have saved many of my > > > > > > > > hearts and > > > > > > > > dollars. Now I could care less for it, though I do have some > > > > > > > > spurts > > > > > > > > of it. Considering that I've told my wife several times that > > > > > > > > upon > > > > > > > > winning the big lotto I would set her up with whatever she > > > > > > > > wanted and > > > > > > > > that I was chao chao bambino, whether I would follow through > > > > > > > > with that > > > > > > > > is another story, I may never want to leave her. I do have a > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > deal of love for her and I do call it love but it's not what it > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > be I guess, not sure. She is a great woman in a lot of ways, I > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > take care of her the best I can and protect her from anyone > > > > > > > > intending > > > > > > > > harm of any sort and kill if I had to, maybe that is the > > > > > > > > instinctive > > > > > > > > male in me, I don't > > ... > > read more �- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
