I am one of you- though disappointed and resigned. I look back over my life as a grief of love. Take my heart but spare me my money. The last time I heard "jaded" was from my highschool sweetheart who I dated for a year after he divorced from a 30 year marriage. He was still a jerk and died soon after I left him. Stuff happens.
On May 4, 3:54�pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > Hmmm...I don't know, from what I hear, age is no barrier to love nor lust. ;) > > Glad to have you aboard. Strong opening salvo, though! No soft spot at > all for us romantics? > > > > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 4:39 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Thank you for Monday's laugh! One is allowed. Two would be lethal.// I > > wasn't sure this thought would get through but I would like to read > > along in this group. I am a grandmother so somewhat protected from > > foolish fancy even in the lusty month of May. I lust after William > > Safire. :-) Anyway, thanks for the welcome.// > > > On May 4, 10:35 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Ah, the voice of the jaded. > > >> Welcome, Rigsy. Care to tell us a story? > > >> [ Attached Message ]From:rigsy03 <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > >> <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 4 May 2009 06:16:08 -0700 > >> (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 8:16 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: What is the > >> nature of Love? > > >> Love is a myth and marketing tool. > > >> On May 4, 8:10 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > Not always, but definitely at least sometimes. There is much healing in > >> > a loving touch. > > >> > [ Attached Message ]From:Rosey <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > >> > <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 4 May 2009 05:53:04 -0700 > >> > (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 7:53 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: What is the > >> > nature of Love? > > >> > Is affection healing? Can a person kiss and hug the pain away? I > >> > believe this tactic works. But for some it does not. > > >> > On May 4, 8:41 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > I think I understand and I do appreciate your words here Vam. We all, > >> > > each of us, deserve to be surrounded by those that love us > >> > > unconditionally, and allow us to be who we are as we evolve and > >> > > awaken. The key for me has been to provide this to those around me. I > >> > > have found that in doing so, I am surrounded by folks who can love in > >> > > the same way. This does not mean that I allow myself to be exploited > >> > > or abused, because I think that a part of unconditional love is > >> > > bringing such behavior by the other to light, and then moving away > >> > > from it, allowing the other to learn or not. There are times when > >> > > compassion is enough and the relationship becoming peripheral is in > >> > > perfect order. Your unconditional love then includes honesty, > >> > > appreciation and psychological safety for all. These can be provided > >> > > through deep intimacy or great distance. There is a grace that leads > >> > > the way. > > >> > > On May 4, 12:49 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > " Affection, in all forms, is an extremely valuable and important > >> > > > part > >> > > > of the relationship to me ... " > > >> > > > And Grace, both while giving to and receiving from ... But, valuable > >> > > > and important as they are, these are still the atmospherics. The > >> > > > crucial part is the quality of ' being ' individuals sense within > >> > > > themselves, and the opportunity they have to ' be ' themselves, to > >> > > > grow and evolve and continue to transform the ' I - Space ' within to > >> > > > greater sense of strength, happiness, freedom and self - discovery. > > >> > > > We are all striving for that rich and pregnant ground of ' I - space > >> > > > ' > >> > > > in which our finitude dissolves. The others are important to us, in > >> > > > this context, for the atmospherics they cause or contribute to. It > >> > > > can > >> > > > aid or mar the ' awakening.' > > >> > > > We each love the other, for the love of our Self ! > > >> > > > ( I waited long before punching the ' Send ' button, wondering if > >> > > > what > >> > > > I'm posting makes any sense. Even, if it is appropriate ? ) > > >> > > > On May 4, 7:57 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > I think (a very necessary disclaimer in topics such as these) that > >> > > > > the secret may be to only require commitment from your partner, to > >> > > > > continue to freely be who you are, and expect the same from them, > >> > > > > and to strive for the happy balance of compromise and acceptance > >> > > > > in the places where friction inevitably occurs. Sometimes we align > >> > > > > ourselves with partners who have drastically different life goals, > >> > > > > and that's simply not possible. Other times our partners, or we > >> > > > > ourselves, are in a self destructive place which is simply not > >> > > > > conducive to a healthy relationship. If, however, we are both > >> > > > > aligned similarly, and both committed to that goal, then a zen > >> > > > > state of love, where it is not questioned, but simply is, seems to > >> > > > > me to be the path to a long term bliss. > > >> > > > > If everyday, despite the day I've had, I make the effort to > >> > > > > express some portion of Eros energy to my partner, even if in no > >> > > > > other form than text message, I've "been", in the zen sense, > >> > > > > affirmed the love, made it be by being it. When that is affirmed > >> > > > > in reply, that circle is completed. The actual physical > >> > > > > expenditure of the ritual is miniscule, yet the effect is powerful. > > >> > > > > Affection, in all forms, is an extremely valuable and important > >> > > > > part of the relationship to me, which Is just one of the many ides > >> > > > > of Love I inherit from my Father. He's still married to my Mom, > >> > > > > and from all appearances, still in love with her in an Eros kind > >> > > > > of way. :-D It's a strong archetype to have in your head of what a > >> > > > > long term love can be. I can't imagine the idea of my Father being > >> > > > > unfaithful to my Mom. It's inconceivable to me. > > >> > > > > It strikes me Neil that one of the problems with Love is that most > >> > > > > of the wisdom about it doesn't come until our later years, and > >> > > > > many of us either don't have a proper Sage around, or are a bit > >> > > > > too damn fool hardy in our youths to listen if we do. > > >> > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:archytas > >> > > > > <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > >> > > > > <[email protected]>Date:Sun, 3 May 2009 18:30:21 -0700 > >> > > > > (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 6:30 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: What is > >> > > > > the nature of Love? > > >> > > > > There is some thinking that love is over-stated and leads to over- > >> > > > > expectation, perhaps rather strangely making loving relationship > >> > > > > more > >> > > > > difficult than it needs to be. Raising any of us fallible humans > >> > > > > to a > >> > > > > golden pedestal is to put whoever it is before a fall. One can > >> > > > > certainly be loving and it appears this can be reciprocal, though > >> > > > > I'd > >> > > > > expect this to be less than perfect or bound in mutual illusions. > >> > > > > Freedom from exploitation seems key to me, along with some form of > >> > > > > understanding on equality. I can say that I wish I had been better > >> > > > > able to enjoy sex earlier in my life through some decent education > >> > > > > about it. > > >> > > > > On 4 May, 01:07, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > Exactly, trust is essential to the bond, it is the adhesive > >> > > > > > quality > >> > > > > > that transforms two into one. The bond can be broken and > >> > > > > > repaired but > >> > > > > > it forever has the crack that remains a visible detraction and > >> > > > > > possibly a perpetual doubt which can fester at anytime under > >> > > > > > testing > >> > > > > > situations, such as out of town overnight business meetings or > >> > > > > > the > >> > > > > > introduction of a past friend, literally anything can set off the > >> > > > > > process of relationship erosion. I can only wish that everyone > >> > > > > > would > >> > > > > > find that special soul mate and live happily ever after. > > >> > > > > > On May 3, 3:54 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > >> > > > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > I agree completely about fidelity. For some, a dip in another > >> > > > > > > pool provides added excitement...but for me, it cracks the > >> > > > > > > foundation of the love I have, irreparably, no matter which > >> > > > > > > person is to blame. Trust is key for me, and without > >> > > > > > > faithfulness, there is no trust. > > >> > > > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:Slip Disc > >> > > > > > > <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > >> > > > > > > <[email protected]>Date:Sun, 3 May 2009 12:48:43 > >> > > > > > > -0700 (PDT)Local:Sun, May 3 2009 2:48 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] > >> > > > > > > Re: What is the nature of Love? > > >> > > > > > > It must be Chris being that you posted twice on it, lol, > >> > > > > > > thanks. > > >> > > > > > > I might add that much of my feelings at this point are based > >> > > > > > > on the > >> > > > > > > fact that she is without exception my best friend in the > >> > > > > > > world. The > >> > > > > > > monogamy issue for me is moot as I would hurt as much as she > >> > > > > > > would, > >> > > > > > > and mutually so. I guess in that sense the love factor reveals > >> > > > > > > itself > >> > > > > > > to be the core driven emotion that keeps us together. When that > >> > > > > > > emotion is present, the thought of infidelity never enters the > >> > > > > > > mind. > >> > > > > > > Love, being faithful, gives relationships integrity and > >> > > > > > > provides a > >> > > > > > > sound platform on which to continue building. Newly founded > >> > > > > > > relationships or marriages are like a complete white circle > >> > > > > > > that > >> > > > > > > accumulates black spots for each little transgression, larger > >> > > > > > > spots > >> > > > > > > for more serious infractions. As time goes by the circle may > >> > > > > > > seem > >> > > > > > > more black than white and the imbalance weighs heavier on the > >> > > > > > > side of > >> > > > > > > failure due to the loss of integrity, eventually with nothing > >> > > > > > > left the > >> > > > > > > relationship collapses. We can fantasize all we want about how > >> > > > > > > much > >> > > > > > > greener the grass is on the other side but truth is it takes > >> > > > > > > mutual > >> > > > > > > effort no matter where the grass is. I would venture to guess > >> > > > > > > that > >> > > > > > > there is that one perfect soul mate relationship out there > >> > > > > > > waiting for > >> > > > > > > us to find it, that being the hardest part of it all. > > >> > > > > > > On Apr 29, 11:45 pm, Chris Jenkins > >> > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > I think this is my favorite post from you ever, Slip. > > >> > > > > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:Slip Disc > >> > > > > > > > <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > >> > > > > > > > <[email protected]>Date:Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:24:10 > > ... > > read more �- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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