One can adopt a point of view, with Love, to justify or condemn anything. peace & Love
On May 4, 7:12 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > ...and thus the discussion of the nature of Love. I'm sure Hinckley > would have something to contribute to the conversation. > > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Love can be a powerful source for murder in the mind of a psycho. > > > peace & Love > > > On May 4, 7:02 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > >> ...and yet Love can be a powerful source for all these things. > > >> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > I would think the 'exploding in the arts' would be better classified > >> > as insight, inspiration or revelation rather than Love. > > >> > peace & Love > > >> > On May 4, 6:28 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Yes. It explodes in the arts. Have done the whole trip- painting, > >> >> music, needlearts, poetry, gardening, cooking, diplomas. It still > >> >> doesn't cure a lost heart. I am now a hermitess living in a grand > >> >> house. My children are scattered and I was a good mother to them. > >> >> Maybe that is Love. > > >> >> On May 4, 5:04 pm, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > Love is beauty and pain defined. But in order to experience the pain > >> >> > you must see its beauty. Which often happens unexpectedly. I wish I > >> >> > wasn't one of those people that think with their heart. What is the > >> >> > value of brilliance when the actions of your heart blind you from > >> >> > using it? When I think of love, it's a deep, deep, longing for > >> >> > passion. Perhaps a flight without a plane. Or a swim without water. > >> >> > Maybe even a delicacy tasted without swallowing. It's there but your > >> >> > wary from it, worried about losing it, careful but not capable of > >> >> > determining whether you keep it or not, as love does change. It gives > >> >> > one the ability to things they would never expect. > > >> >> > For example: I was able to play a tune on the piano, yet I don't play > >> >> > the piano. No, not expertly, I would post a link to it but would be > >> >> > worried about getting critiqued by experts. I am no expert and don't > >> >> > play the piano, never have, we bought a keyboard about two months ago, > >> >> > yet I managed a whole heart felt tune, I closed my eyes and let my > >> >> > fingers work their own magic. Do you think love gives one > >> >> > abilities? > > >> >> > On May 4, 5:46 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > I am one of you- though disappointed and resigned. I look back over > >> >> > > my > >> >> > > life as a grief of love. Take my heart but spare me my money. The > >> >> > > last > >> >> > > time I heard "jaded" was from my highschool sweetheart who I dated > >> >> > > for > >> >> > > a year after he divorced from a 30 year marriage. He was still a > >> >> > > jerk > >> >> > > and died soon after I left him. Stuff happens. > > >> >> > > On May 4, 3:54 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > > Hmmm...I don't know, from what I hear, age is no barrier to love > >> >> > > > nor lust. ;) > > >> >> > > > Glad to have you aboard. Strong opening salvo, though! No soft > >> >> > > > spot at > >> >> > > > all for us romantics? > > >> >> > > > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 4:39 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > > > Thank you for Monday's laugh! One is allowed. Two would be > >> >> > > > > lethal.// I > >> >> > > > > wasn't sure this thought would get through but I would like to > >> >> > > > > read > >> >> > > > > along in this group. I am a grandmother so somewhat protected > >> >> > > > > from > >> >> > > > > foolish fancy even in the lusty month of May. I lust after > >> >> > > > > William > >> >> > > > > Safire. :-) Anyway, thanks for the welcome.// > > >> >> > > > > On May 4, 10:35 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > >> >> > > > > wrote: > >> >> > > > >> Ah, the voice of the jaded. > > >> >> > > > >> Welcome, Rigsy. Care to tell us a story? > > >> >> > > > >> [ Attached Message ]From:rigsy03 > >> >> > > > >> <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > >> >> > > > >> <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 4 May 2009 06:16:08 > >> >> > > > >> -0700 (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 8:16 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] > >> >> > > > >> Re: What is the nature of Love? > > >> >> > > > >> Love is a myth and marketing tool. > > >> >> > > > >> On May 4, 8:10 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > >> >> > > > >> wrote: > > >> >> > > > >> > Not always, but definitely at least sometimes. There is much > >> >> > > > >> > healing in a loving touch. > > >> >> > > > >> > [ Attached Message ]From:Rosey > >> >> > > > >> > <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > >> >> > > > >> > <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 4 May 2009 05:53:04 > >> >> > > > >> > -0700 (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 7:53 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] > >> >> > > > >> > Re: What is the nature of Love? > > >> >> > > > >> > Is affection healing? Can a person kiss and hug the pain > >> >> > > > >> > away? I > >> >> > > > >> > believe this tactic works. But for some it does not. > > >> >> > > > >> > On May 4, 8:41 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > >> >> > > > >> > wrote: > > >> >> > > > >> > > I think I understand and I do appreciate your words here > >> >> > > > >> > > Vam. We all, > >> >> > > > >> > > each of us, deserve to be surrounded by those that love us > >> >> > > > >> > > unconditionally, and allow us to be who we are as we > >> >> > > > >> > > evolve and > >> >> > > > >> > > awaken. The key for me has been to provide this to those > >> >> > > > >> > > around me. I > >> >> > > > >> > > have found that in doing so, I am surrounded by folks who > >> >> > > > >> > > can love in > >> >> > > > >> > > the same way. This does not mean that I allow myself to be > >> >> > > > >> > > exploited > >> >> > > > >> > > or abused, because I think that a part of unconditional > >> >> > > > >> > > love is > >> >> > > > >> > > bringing such behavior by the other to light, and then > >> >> > > > >> > > moving away > >> >> > > > >> > > from it, allowing the other to learn or not. There are > >> >> > > > >> > > times when > >> >> > > > >> > > compassion is enough and the relationship becoming > >> >> > > > >> > > peripheral is in > >> >> > > > >> > > perfect order. Your unconditional love then includes > >> >> > > > >> > > honesty, > >> >> > > > >> > > appreciation and psychological safety for all. These can > >> >> > > > >> > > be provided > >> >> > > > >> > > through deep intimacy or great distance. There is a grace > >> >> > > > >> > > that leads > >> >> > > > >> > > the way. > > >> >> > > > >> > > On May 4, 12:49 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> > >> >> > > > >> > > wrote: > > >> >> > > > >> > > > " Affection, in all forms, is an extremely valuable and > >> >> > > > >> > > > important part > >> >> > > > >> > > > of the relationship to me ... " > > >> >> > > > >> > > > And Grace, both while giving to and receiving from ... > >> >> > > > >> > > > But, valuable > >> >> > > > >> > > > and important as they are, these are still the > >> >> > > > >> > > > atmospherics. The > >> >> > > > >> > > > crucial part is the quality of ' being ' individuals > >> >> > > > >> > > > sense within > >> >> > > > >> > > > themselves, and the opportunity they have to ' be ' > >> >> > > > >> > > > themselves, to > >> >> > > > >> > > > grow and evolve and continue to transform the ' I - > >> >> > > > >> > > > Space ' within to > >> >> > > > >> > > > greater sense of strength, happiness, freedom and self - > >> >> > > > >> > > > discovery. > > >> >> > > > >> > > > We are all striving for that rich and pregnant ground of > >> >> > > > >> > > > ' I - space ' > >> >> > > > >> > > > in which our finitude dissolves. The others are > >> >> > > > >> > > > important to us, in > >> >> > > > >> > > > this context, for the atmospherics they cause or > >> >> > > > >> > > > contribute to. It can > >> >> > > > >> > > > aid or mar the ' awakening.' > > >> >> > > > >> > > > We each love the other, for the love of our Self ! > > >> >> > > > >> > > > ( I waited long before punching the ' Send ' button, > >> >> > > > >> > > > wondering if what > >> >> > > > >> > > > I'm posting makes any sense. Even, if it is appropriate > >> >> > > > >> > > > ? ) > > >> >> > > > >> > > > On May 4, 7:57 am, Chris Jenkins > >> >> > > > >> > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > I think (a very necessary disclaimer in topics such as > >> >> > > > >> > > > > these) that the secret may be to only require > >> >> > > > >> > > > > commitment from your partner, to continue to freely be > >> >> > > > >> > > > > who you are, and expect the same from them, and to > >> >> > > > >> > > > > strive for the happy balance of compromise and > >> >> > > > >> > > > > acceptance in the places where friction inevitably > >> >> > > > >> > > > > occurs. Sometimes we align ourselves with partners who > >> >> > > > >> > > > > have drastically different life goals, and that's > >> >> > > > >> > > > > simply not possible. Other times our partners, or we > >> >> > > > >> > > > > ourselves, are in a self destructive place which is > >> >> > > > >> > > > > simply not conducive to a healthy relationship. If, > >> >> > > > >> > > > > however, we are both aligned similarly, and both > >> >> > > > >> > > > > committed to that goal, then a zen state of love, > >> >> > > > >> > > > > where it is not questioned, but simply is, seems to me > >> >> > > > >> > > > > to be the path to a long term bliss. > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > If everyday, despite the day I've had, I make the > >> >> > > > >> > > > > effort to express some portion of Eros energy to my > >> >> > > > >> > > > > partner, even if in no other form than text message, > >> >> > > > >> > > > > I've "been", in the zen sense, affirmed the love, made > >> >> > > > >> > > > > it be by being it. When that is affirmed in reply, > >> >> > > > >> > > > > that circle is completed. The actual physical > >> >> > > > >> > > > > expenditure of the ritual is miniscule, yet the effect > >> >> > > > >> > > > > is powerful. > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > Affection, in all forms, is an extremely valuable and > >> >> > > > >> > > > > important part of the relationship to me, which Is > >> >> > > > >> > > > > just one of the many ides of Love I inherit from my > >> >> > > > >> > > > > Father. He's still married to my Mom, and from all > >> >> > > > >> > > > > appearances, still in love with her in an Eros kind of > >> >> > > > >> > > > > way. :-D It's a strong archetype to have in your head > >> >> > > > >> > > > > of what a long term love can be. I can't imagine the > >> >> > > > >> > > > > idea of my Father being unfaithful to my Mom. It's > >> >> > > > >> > > > > inconceivable to me. > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > It strikes me Neil that one of the problems with Love > >> >> > > > >> > > > > is that most of the wisdom about it doesn't come until > >> >> > > > >> > > > > our later years, and many of us either don't have a > >> >> > > > >> > > > > proper Sage around, or are a bit too damn fool hardy > >> >> > > > >> > > > > in our youths to listen if we do. > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:archytas > >> >> > > > >> > > > > <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > >> >> > > > >> > > > > <[email protected]>Date:Sun, 3 May 2009 > >> >> > > > >> > > > > 18:30:21 -0700 (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 6:30 > >> >> > > > >> > > > > amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: What is the nature of Love? > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > There is some thinking that love is over-stated and > >> >> > > > >> > > > > leads to over- > >> >> > > > >> > > > > expectation, perhaps rather strangely making loving > >> >> > > > >> > > > > relationship more > >> >> > > > >> > > > > difficult than it needs to be. Raising any of us > >> >> > > > >> > > > > fallible humans to a > >> >> > > > >> > > > > golden pedestal is to put whoever it is before a fall. > >> >> > > > >> > > > > One can > >> >> > > > >> > > > > certainly be loving and > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
