...and yet Love can be a powerful source for all these things. On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > I would think the 'exploding in the arts' would be better classified > as insight, inspiration or revelation rather than Love. > > peace & Love > > On May 4, 6:28 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> Yes. It explodes in the arts. Have done the whole trip- painting, >> music, needlearts, poetry, gardening, cooking, diplomas. It still >> doesn't cure a lost heart. I am now a hermitess living in a grand >> house. My children are scattered and I was a good mother to them. >> Maybe that is Love. >> >> On May 4, 5:04 pm, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Love is beauty and pain defined. But in order to experience the pain >> > you must see its beauty. Which often happens unexpectedly. I wish I >> > wasn't one of those people that think with their heart. What is the >> > value of brilliance when the actions of your heart blind you from >> > using it? When I think of love, it's a deep, deep, longing for >> > passion. Perhaps a flight without a plane. Or a swim without water. >> > Maybe even a delicacy tasted without swallowing. It's there but your >> > wary from it, worried about losing it, careful but not capable of >> > determining whether you keep it or not, as love does change. It gives >> > one the ability to things they would never expect. >> >> > For example: I was able to play a tune on the piano, yet I don't play >> > the piano. No, not expertly, I would post a link to it but would be >> > worried about getting critiqued by experts. I am no expert and don't >> > play the piano, never have, we bought a keyboard about two months ago, >> > yet I managed a whole heart felt tune, I closed my eyes and let my >> > fingers work their own magic. Do you think love gives one >> > abilities? >> >> > On May 4, 5:46 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > I am one of you- though disappointed and resigned. I look back over my >> > > life as a grief of love. Take my heart but spare me my money. The last >> > > time I heard "jaded" was from my highschool sweetheart who I dated for >> > > a year after he divorced from a 30 year marriage. He was still a jerk >> > > and died soon after I left him. Stuff happens. >> >> > > On May 4, 3:54 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > Hmmm...I don't know, from what I hear, age is no barrier to love nor >> > > > lust. ;) >> >> > > > Glad to have you aboard. Strong opening salvo, though! No soft spot at >> > > > all for us romantics? >> >> > > > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 4:39 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > Thank you for Monday's laugh! One is allowed. Two would be lethal.// >> > > > > I >> > > > > wasn't sure this thought would get through but I would like to read >> > > > > along in this group. I am a grandmother so somewhat protected from >> > > > > foolish fancy even in the lusty month of May. I lust after William >> > > > > Safire. :-) Anyway, thanks for the welcome.// >> >> > > > > On May 4, 10:35 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > >> Ah, the voice of the jaded. >> >> > > > >> Welcome, Rigsy. Care to tell us a story? >> >> > > > >> [ Attached Message ]From:rigsy03 <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds >> > > > >> Eye\"" <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 4 May 2009 06:16:08 >> > > > >> -0700 (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 8:16 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: >> > > > >> What is the nature of Love? >> >> > > > >> Love is a myth and marketing tool. >> >> > > > >> On May 4, 8:10 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > >> > Not always, but definitely at least sometimes. There is much >> > > > >> > healing in a loving touch. >> >> > > > >> > [ Attached Message ]From:Rosey <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds >> > > > >> > Eye\"" <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 4 May 2009 05:53:04 >> > > > >> > -0700 (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 7:53 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: >> > > > >> > What is the nature of Love? >> >> > > > >> > Is affection healing? Can a person kiss and hug the pain away? I >> > > > >> > believe this tactic works. But for some it does not. >> >> > > > >> > On May 4, 8:41 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > >> > > I think I understand and I do appreciate your words here Vam. >> > > > >> > > We all, >> > > > >> > > each of us, deserve to be surrounded by those that love us >> > > > >> > > unconditionally, and allow us to be who we are as we evolve and >> > > > >> > > awaken. The key for me has been to provide this to those around >> > > > >> > > me. I >> > > > >> > > have found that in doing so, I am surrounded by folks who can >> > > > >> > > love in >> > > > >> > > the same way. This does not mean that I allow myself to be >> > > > >> > > exploited >> > > > >> > > or abused, because I think that a part of unconditional love is >> > > > >> > > bringing such behavior by the other to light, and then moving >> > > > >> > > away >> > > > >> > > from it, allowing the other to learn or not. There are times >> > > > >> > > when >> > > > >> > > compassion is enough and the relationship becoming peripheral >> > > > >> > > is in >> > > > >> > > perfect order. Your unconditional love then includes honesty, >> > > > >> > > appreciation and psychological safety for all. These can be >> > > > >> > > provided >> > > > >> > > through deep intimacy or great distance. There is a grace that >> > > > >> > > leads >> > > > >> > > the way. >> >> > > > >> > > On May 4, 12:49 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > >> > > > " Affection, in all forms, is an extremely valuable and >> > > > >> > > > important part >> > > > >> > > > of the relationship to me ... " >> >> > > > >> > > > And Grace, both while giving to and receiving from ... But, >> > > > >> > > > valuable >> > > > >> > > > and important as they are, these are still the atmospherics. >> > > > >> > > > The >> > > > >> > > > crucial part is the quality of ' being ' individuals sense >> > > > >> > > > within >> > > > >> > > > themselves, and the opportunity they have to ' be ' >> > > > >> > > > themselves, to >> > > > >> > > > grow and evolve and continue to transform the ' I - Space ' >> > > > >> > > > within to >> > > > >> > > > greater sense of strength, happiness, freedom and self - >> > > > >> > > > discovery. >> >> > > > >> > > > We are all striving for that rich and pregnant ground of ' I >> > > > >> > > > - space ' >> > > > >> > > > in which our finitude dissolves. The others are important to >> > > > >> > > > us, in >> > > > >> > > > this context, for the atmospherics they cause or contribute >> > > > >> > > > to. It can >> > > > >> > > > aid or mar the ' awakening.' >> >> > > > >> > > > We each love the other, for the love of our Self ! >> >> > > > >> > > > ( I waited long before punching the ' Send ' button, >> > > > >> > > > wondering if what >> > > > >> > > > I'm posting makes any sense. Even, if it is appropriate ? ) >> >> > > > >> > > > On May 4, 7:57 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> >> > > > >> > > > wrote: >> >> > > > >> > > > > I think (a very necessary disclaimer in topics such as >> > > > >> > > > > these) that the secret may be to only require commitment >> > > > >> > > > > from your partner, to continue to freely be who you are, >> > > > >> > > > > and expect the same from them, and to strive for the happy >> > > > >> > > > > balance of compromise and acceptance in the places where >> > > > >> > > > > friction inevitably occurs. Sometimes we align ourselves >> > > > >> > > > > with partners who have drastically different life goals, >> > > > >> > > > > and that's simply not possible. Other times our partners, >> > > > >> > > > > or we ourselves, are in a self destructive place which is >> > > > >> > > > > simply not conducive to a healthy relationship. If, >> > > > >> > > > > however, we are both aligned similarly, and both committed >> > > > >> > > > > to that goal, then a zen state of love, where it is not >> > > > >> > > > > questioned, but simply is, seems to me to be the path to a >> > > > >> > > > > long term bliss. >> >> > > > >> > > > > If everyday, despite the day I've had, I make the effort to >> > > > >> > > > > express some portion of Eros energy to my partner, even if >> > > > >> > > > > in no other form than text message, I've "been", in the zen >> > > > >> > > > > sense, affirmed the love, made it be by being it. When that >> > > > >> > > > > is affirmed in reply, that circle is completed. The actual >> > > > >> > > > > physical expenditure of the ritual is miniscule, yet the >> > > > >> > > > > effect is powerful. >> >> > > > >> > > > > Affection, in all forms, is an extremely valuable and >> > > > >> > > > > important part of the relationship to me, which Is just one >> > > > >> > > > > of the many ides of Love I inherit from my Father. He's >> > > > >> > > > > still married to my Mom, and from all appearances, still in >> > > > >> > > > > love with her in an Eros kind of way. :-D It's a strong >> > > > >> > > > > archetype to have in your head of what a long term love can >> > > > >> > > > > be. I can't imagine the idea of my Father being unfaithful >> > > > >> > > > > to my Mom. It's inconceivable to me. >> >> > > > >> > > > > It strikes me Neil that one of the problems with Love is >> > > > >> > > > > that most of the wisdom about it doesn't come until our >> > > > >> > > > > later years, and many of us either don't have a proper Sage >> > > > >> > > > > around, or are a bit too damn fool hardy in our youths to >> > > > >> > > > > listen if we do. >> >> > > > >> > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:archytas >> > > > >> > > > > <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" >> > > > >> > > > > <[email protected]>Date:Sun, 3 May 2009 18:30:21 >> > > > >> > > > > -0700 (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 6:30 amSubject:[Mind's >> > > > >> > > > > Eye] Re: What is the nature of Love? >> >> > > > >> > > > > There is some thinking that love is over-stated and leads >> > > > >> > > > > to over- >> > > > >> > > > > expectation, perhaps rather strangely making loving >> > > > >> > > > > relationship more >> > > > >> > > > > difficult than it needs to be. Raising any of us fallible >> > > > >> > > > > humans to a >> > > > >> > > > > golden pedestal is to put whoever it is before a fall. One >> > > > >> > > > > can >> > > > >> > > > > certainly be loving and it appears this can be reciprocal, >> > > > >> > > > > though I'd >> > > > >> > > > > expect this to be less than perfect or bound in mutual >> > > > >> > > > > illusions. >> > > > >> > > > > Freedom from exploitation seems key to me, along with some >> > > > >> > > > > form of >> > > > >> > > > > understanding on equality. I can say that I wish I had been >> > > > >> > > > > better >> > > > >> > > > > able to enjoy sex earlier in my life through some decent >> > > > >> > > > > education >> > > > >> > > > > about it. >> >> > > > >> > > > > On 4 May, 01:07, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > >> > > > > > Exactly, trust is essential to the bond, it is the >> > > > >> > > > > > adhesive quality >> > > > >> > > > > > that transforms two into one. The bond can be broken and >> > > > >> > > > > > repaired but >> > > > >> > > > > > it forever has the crack that remains a visible >> > > > >> > > > > > detraction and >> > > > >> > > > > > possibly a perpetual doubt which can fester at anytime >> > > > >> > > > > > under testing >> > > > >> > > > > > situations, such as out of town overnight business >> > > > >> > > > > > meetings or the >> > > > >> > > > > > introduction of a past friend, literally anything can set >> > > > >> > > > > > off the >> > > > >> > > > > > process of relationship erosion. I can only wish that >> > > > >> > > > > > everyone would >> > > > >> > > > > > find that special soul mate and live happily ever after. >> >> > > > >> > > > > > On May 3, 3:54 pm, Chris Jenkins >> > > > >> > > > > > <[email protected]> >> >> ... >> >> read more » > > >
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