...and thus the discussion of the nature of Love. I'm sure Hinckley would have something to contribute to the conversation.
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > Love can be a powerful source for murder in the mind of a psycho. > > peace & Love > > On May 4, 7:02 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: >> ...and yet Love can be a powerful source for all these things. >> >> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > I would think the 'exploding in the arts' would be better classified >> > as insight, inspiration or revelation rather than Love. >> >> > peace & Love >> >> > On May 4, 6:28 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Yes. It explodes in the arts. Have done the whole trip- painting, >> >> music, needlearts, poetry, gardening, cooking, diplomas. It still >> >> doesn't cure a lost heart. I am now a hermitess living in a grand >> >> house. My children are scattered and I was a good mother to them. >> >> Maybe that is Love. >> >> >> On May 4, 5:04 pm, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > Love is beauty and pain defined. But in order to experience the pain >> >> > you must see its beauty. Which often happens unexpectedly. I wish I >> >> > wasn't one of those people that think with their heart. What is the >> >> > value of brilliance when the actions of your heart blind you from >> >> > using it? When I think of love, it's a deep, deep, longing for >> >> > passion. Perhaps a flight without a plane. Or a swim without water. >> >> > Maybe even a delicacy tasted without swallowing. It's there but your >> >> > wary from it, worried about losing it, careful but not capable of >> >> > determining whether you keep it or not, as love does change. It gives >> >> > one the ability to things they would never expect. >> >> >> > For example: I was able to play a tune on the piano, yet I don't play >> >> > the piano. No, not expertly, I would post a link to it but would be >> >> > worried about getting critiqued by experts. I am no expert and don't >> >> > play the piano, never have, we bought a keyboard about two months ago, >> >> > yet I managed a whole heart felt tune, I closed my eyes and let my >> >> > fingers work their own magic. Do you think love gives one >> >> > abilities? >> >> >> > On May 4, 5:46 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > > I am one of you- though disappointed and resigned. I look back over my >> >> > > life as a grief of love. Take my heart but spare me my money. The last >> >> > > time I heard "jaded" was from my highschool sweetheart who I dated for >> >> > > a year after he divorced from a 30 year marriage. He was still a jerk >> >> > > and died soon after I left him. Stuff happens. >> >> >> > > On May 4, 3:54 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > > > Hmmm...I don't know, from what I hear, age is no barrier to love >> >> > > > nor lust. ;) >> >> >> > > > Glad to have you aboard. Strong opening salvo, though! No soft spot >> >> > > > at >> >> > > > all for us romantics? >> >> >> > > > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 4:39 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > > > > Thank you for Monday's laugh! One is allowed. Two would be >> >> > > > > lethal.// I >> >> > > > > wasn't sure this thought would get through but I would like to >> >> > > > > read >> >> > > > > along in this group. I am a grandmother so somewhat protected from >> >> > > > > foolish fancy even in the lusty month of May. I lust after William >> >> > > > > Safire. :-) Anyway, thanks for the welcome.// >> >> >> > > > > On May 4, 10:35 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> >> >> > > > > wrote: >> >> > > > >> Ah, the voice of the jaded. >> >> >> > > > >> Welcome, Rigsy. Care to tell us a story? >> >> >> > > > >> [ Attached Message ]From:rigsy03 <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds >> >> > > > >> Eye\"" <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 4 May 2009 06:16:08 >> >> > > > >> -0700 (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 8:16 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: >> >> > > > >> What is the nature of Love? >> >> >> > > > >> Love is a myth and marketing tool. >> >> >> > > > >> On May 4, 8:10 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> >> >> > > > >> wrote: >> >> >> > > > >> > Not always, but definitely at least sometimes. There is much >> >> > > > >> > healing in a loving touch. >> >> >> > > > >> > [ Attached Message ]From:Rosey >> >> > > > >> > <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" >> >> > > > >> > <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 4 May 2009 05:53:04 >> >> > > > >> > -0700 (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 7:53 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] >> >> > > > >> > Re: What is the nature of Love? >> >> >> > > > >> > Is affection healing? Can a person kiss and hug the pain away? >> >> > > > >> > I >> >> > > > >> > believe this tactic works. But for some it does not. >> >> >> > > > >> > On May 4, 8:41 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > > > >> > > I think I understand and I do appreciate your words here >> >> > > > >> > > Vam. We all, >> >> > > > >> > > each of us, deserve to be surrounded by those that love us >> >> > > > >> > > unconditionally, and allow us to be who we are as we evolve >> >> > > > >> > > and >> >> > > > >> > > awaken. The key for me has been to provide this to those >> >> > > > >> > > around me. I >> >> > > > >> > > have found that in doing so, I am surrounded by folks who >> >> > > > >> > > can love in >> >> > > > >> > > the same way. This does not mean that I allow myself to be >> >> > > > >> > > exploited >> >> > > > >> > > or abused, because I think that a part of unconditional love >> >> > > > >> > > is >> >> > > > >> > > bringing such behavior by the other to light, and then >> >> > > > >> > > moving away >> >> > > > >> > > from it, allowing the other to learn or not. There are times >> >> > > > >> > > when >> >> > > > >> > > compassion is enough and the relationship becoming >> >> > > > >> > > peripheral is in >> >> > > > >> > > perfect order. Your unconditional love then includes honesty, >> >> > > > >> > > appreciation and psychological safety for all. These can be >> >> > > > >> > > provided >> >> > > > >> > > through deep intimacy or great distance. There is a grace >> >> > > > >> > > that leads >> >> > > > >> > > the way. >> >> >> > > > >> > > On May 4, 12:49 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> >> >> > > > >> > > wrote: >> >> >> > > > >> > > > " Affection, in all forms, is an extremely valuable and >> >> > > > >> > > > important part >> >> > > > >> > > > of the relationship to me ... " >> >> >> > > > >> > > > And Grace, both while giving to and receiving from ... >> >> > > > >> > > > But, valuable >> >> > > > >> > > > and important as they are, these are still the >> >> > > > >> > > > atmospherics. The >> >> > > > >> > > > crucial part is the quality of ' being ' individuals sense >> >> > > > >> > > > within >> >> > > > >> > > > themselves, and the opportunity they have to ' be ' >> >> > > > >> > > > themselves, to >> >> > > > >> > > > grow and evolve and continue to transform the ' I - Space >> >> > > > >> > > > ' within to >> >> > > > >> > > > greater sense of strength, happiness, freedom and self - >> >> > > > >> > > > discovery. >> >> >> > > > >> > > > We are all striving for that rich and pregnant ground of ' >> >> > > > >> > > > I - space ' >> >> > > > >> > > > in which our finitude dissolves. The others are important >> >> > > > >> > > > to us, in >> >> > > > >> > > > this context, for the atmospherics they cause or >> >> > > > >> > > > contribute to. It can >> >> > > > >> > > > aid or mar the ' awakening.' >> >> >> > > > >> > > > We each love the other, for the love of our Self ! >> >> >> > > > >> > > > ( I waited long before punching the ' Send ' button, >> >> > > > >> > > > wondering if what >> >> > > > >> > > > I'm posting makes any sense. Even, if it is appropriate ? ) >> >> >> > > > >> > > > On May 4, 7:57 am, Chris Jenkins >> >> > > > >> > > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > I think (a very necessary disclaimer in topics such as >> >> > > > >> > > > > these) that the secret may be to only require commitment >> >> > > > >> > > > > from your partner, to continue to freely be who you are, >> >> > > > >> > > > > and expect the same from them, and to strive for the >> >> > > > >> > > > > happy balance of compromise and acceptance in the places >> >> > > > >> > > > > where friction inevitably occurs. Sometimes we align >> >> > > > >> > > > > ourselves with partners who have drastically different >> >> > > > >> > > > > life goals, and that's simply not possible. Other times >> >> > > > >> > > > > our partners, or we ourselves, are in a self destructive >> >> > > > >> > > > > place which is simply not conducive to a healthy >> >> > > > >> > > > > relationship. If, however, we are both aligned >> >> > > > >> > > > > similarly, and both committed to that goal, then a zen >> >> > > > >> > > > > state of love, where it is not questioned, but simply >> >> > > > >> > > > > is, seems to me to be the path to a long term bliss. >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > If everyday, despite the day I've had, I make the effort >> >> > > > >> > > > > to express some portion of Eros energy to my partner, >> >> > > > >> > > > > even if in no other form than text message, I've "been", >> >> > > > >> > > > > in the zen sense, affirmed the love, made it be by being >> >> > > > >> > > > > it. When that is affirmed in reply, that circle is >> >> > > > >> > > > > completed. The actual physical expenditure of the ritual >> >> > > > >> > > > > is miniscule, yet the effect is powerful. >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > Affection, in all forms, is an extremely valuable and >> >> > > > >> > > > > important part of the relationship to me, which Is just >> >> > > > >> > > > > one of the many ides of Love I inherit from my Father. >> >> > > > >> > > > > He's still married to my Mom, and from all appearances, >> >> > > > >> > > > > still in love with her in an Eros kind of way. :-D It's >> >> > > > >> > > > > a strong archetype to have in your head of what a long >> >> > > > >> > > > > term love can be. I can't imagine the idea of my Father >> >> > > > >> > > > > being unfaithful to my Mom. It's inconceivable to me. >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > It strikes me Neil that one of the problems with Love is >> >> > > > >> > > > > that most of the wisdom about it doesn't come until our >> >> > > > >> > > > > later years, and many of us either don't have a proper >> >> > > > >> > > > > Sage around, or are a bit too damn fool hardy in our >> >> > > > >> > > > > youths to listen if we do. >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:archytas >> >> > > > >> > > > > <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" >> >> > > > >> > > > > <[email protected]>Date:Sun, 3 May 2009 >> >> > > > >> > > > > 18:30:21 -0700 (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 6:30 >> >> > > > >> > > > > amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: What is the nature of Love? >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > There is some thinking that love is over-stated and >> >> > > > >> > > > > leads to over- >> >> > > > >> > > > > expectation, perhaps rather strangely making loving >> >> > > > >> > > > > relationship more >> >> > > > >> > > > > difficult than it needs to be. Raising any of us >> >> > > > >> > > > > fallible humans to a >> >> > > > >> > > > > golden pedestal is to put whoever it is before a fall. >> >> > > > >> > > > > One can >> >> > > > >> > > > > certainly be loving and it appears this can be >> >> > > > >> > > > > reciprocal, though I'd >> >> > > > >> > > > > expect this to be less than perfect or bound in mutual >> >> > > > >> > > > > illusions. >> >> > > > >> > > > > Freedom from exploitation seems key to me, along with >> >> > > > >> > > > > some form of >> >> > > > >> > > > > understanding on equality. I can say that I wish I had >> >> > > > >> > > > > been better >> >> > > > >> > > > > able to enjoy sex earlier in my life through some decent >> >> > > > >> > > > > education >> >> > > > >> > > > > about it. >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > On 4 May, 01:07, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > > Exactly, trust is essential to the bond, it is the >> >> > > > >> > > > > > adhesive quality >> >> > > > >> > > > > > that transforms two into one. The >> >> ... >> >> read more » > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
