Love is beauty and pain defined. But in order to experience the pain you must see its beauty. Which often happens unexpectedly. I wish I wasn't one of those people that think with their heart. What is the value of brilliance when the actions of your heart blind you from using it? When I think of love, it's a deep, deep, longing for passion. Perhaps a flight without a plane. Or a swim without water. Maybe even a delicacy tasted without swallowing. It's there but your wary from it, worried about losing it, careful but not capable of determining whether you keep it or not, as love does change. It gives one the ability to things they would never expect.
For example: I was able to play a tune on the piano, yet I don't play the piano. No, not expertly, I would post a link to it but would be worried about getting critiqued by experts. I am no expert and don't play the piano, never have, we bought a keyboard about two months ago, yet I managed a whole heart felt tune, I closed my eyes and let my fingers work their own magic. Do you think love gives one abilities? On May 4, 5:46 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > I am one of you- though disappointed and resigned. I look back over my > life as a grief of love. Take my heart but spare me my money. The last > time I heard "jaded" was from my highschool sweetheart who I dated for > a year after he divorced from a 30 year marriage. He was still a jerk > and died soon after I left him. Stuff happens. > > On May 4, 3:54 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hmmm...I don't know, from what I hear, age is no barrier to love nor lust. > > ;) > > > Glad to have you aboard. Strong opening salvo, though! No soft spot at > > all for us romantics? > > > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 4:39 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Thank you for Monday's laugh! One is allowed. Two would be lethal.// I > > > wasn't sure this thought would get through but I would like to read > > > along in this group. I am a grandmother so somewhat protected from > > > foolish fancy even in the lusty month of May. I lust after William > > > Safire. :-) Anyway, thanks for the welcome.// > > > > On May 4, 10:35 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Ah, the voice of the jaded. > > > >> Welcome, Rigsy. Care to tell us a story? > > > >> [ Attached Message ]From:rigsy03 <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > > >> <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 4 May 2009 06:16:08 -0700 > > >> (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 8:16 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: What is the > > >> nature of Love? > > > >> Love is a myth and marketing tool. > > > >> On May 4, 8:10 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > Not always, but definitely at least sometimes. There is much healing > > >> > in a loving touch. > > > >> > [ Attached Message ]From:Rosey <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > > >> > <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 4 May 2009 05:53:04 -0700 > > >> > (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 7:53 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: What is the > > >> > nature of Love? > > > >> > Is affection healing? Can a person kiss and hug the pain away? I > > >> > believe this tactic works. But for some it does not. > > > >> > On May 4, 8:41 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > I think I understand and I do appreciate your words here Vam. We all, > > >> > > each of us, deserve to be surrounded by those that love us > > >> > > unconditionally, and allow us to be who we are as we evolve and > > >> > > awaken. The key for me has been to provide this to those around me. I > > >> > > have found that in doing so, I am surrounded by folks who can love in > > >> > > the same way. This does not mean that I allow myself to be exploited > > >> > > or abused, because I think that a part of unconditional love is > > >> > > bringing such behavior by the other to light, and then moving away > > >> > > from it, allowing the other to learn or not. There are times when > > >> > > compassion is enough and the relationship becoming peripheral is in > > >> > > perfect order. Your unconditional love then includes honesty, > > >> > > appreciation and psychological safety for all. These can be provided > > >> > > through deep intimacy or great distance. There is a grace that leads > > >> > > the way. > > > >> > > On May 4, 12:49 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > " Affection, in all forms, is an extremely valuable and important > > >> > > > part > > >> > > > of the relationship to me ... " > > > >> > > > And Grace, both while giving to and receiving from ... But, > > >> > > > valuable > > >> > > > and important as they are, these are still the atmospherics. The > > >> > > > crucial part is the quality of ' being ' individuals sense within > > >> > > > themselves, and the opportunity they have to ' be ' themselves, to > > >> > > > grow and evolve and continue to transform the ' I - Space ' within > > >> > > > to > > >> > > > greater sense of strength, happiness, freedom and self - discovery. > > > >> > > > We are all striving for that rich and pregnant ground of ' I - > > >> > > > space ' > > >> > > > in which our finitude dissolves. The others are important to us, in > > >> > > > this context, for the atmospherics they cause or contribute to. It > > >> > > > can > > >> > > > aid or mar the ' awakening.' > > > >> > > > We each love the other, for the love of our Self ! > > > >> > > > ( I waited long before punching the ' Send ' button, wondering if > > >> > > > what > > >> > > > I'm posting makes any sense. Even, if it is appropriate ? ) > > > >> > > > On May 4, 7:57 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > > >> > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > I think (a very necessary disclaimer in topics such as these) > > >> > > > > that the secret may be to only require commitment from your > > >> > > > > partner, to continue to freely be who you are, and expect the > > >> > > > > same from them, and to strive for the happy balance of > > >> > > > > compromise and acceptance in the places where friction > > >> > > > > inevitably occurs. Sometimes we align ourselves with partners > > >> > > > > who have drastically different life goals, and that's simply not > > >> > > > > possible. Other times our partners, or we ourselves, are in a > > >> > > > > self destructive place which is simply not conducive to a > > >> > > > > healthy relationship. If, however, we are both aligned > > >> > > > > similarly, and both committed to that goal, then a zen state of > > >> > > > > love, where it is not questioned, but simply is, seems to me to > > >> > > > > be the path to a long term bliss. > > > >> > > > > If everyday, despite the day I've had, I make the effort to > > >> > > > > express some portion of Eros energy to my partner, even if in no > > >> > > > > other form than text message, I've "been", in the zen sense, > > >> > > > > affirmed the love, made it be by being it. When that is affirmed > > >> > > > > in reply, that circle is completed. The actual physical > > >> > > > > expenditure of the ritual is miniscule, yet the effect is > > >> > > > > powerful. > > > >> > > > > Affection, in all forms, is an extremely valuable and important > > >> > > > > part of the relationship to me, which Is just one of the many > > >> > > > > ides of Love I inherit from my Father. He's still married to my > > >> > > > > Mom, and from all appearances, still in love with her in an Eros > > >> > > > > kind of way. :-D It's a strong archetype to have in your head of > > >> > > > > what a long term love can be. I can't imagine the idea of my > > >> > > > > Father being unfaithful to my Mom. It's inconceivable to me. > > > >> > > > > It strikes me Neil that one of the problems with Love is that > > >> > > > > most of the wisdom about it doesn't come until our later years, > > >> > > > > and many of us either don't have a proper Sage around, or are a > > >> > > > > bit too damn fool hardy in our youths to listen if we do. > > > >> > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:archytas > > >> > > > > <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > > >> > > > > <[email protected]>Date:Sun, 3 May 2009 18:30:21 -0700 > > >> > > > > (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 6:30 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: What > > >> > > > > is the nature of Love? > > > >> > > > > There is some thinking that love is over-stated and leads to > > >> > > > > over- > > >> > > > > expectation, perhaps rather strangely making loving relationship > > >> > > > > more > > >> > > > > difficult than it needs to be. Raising any of us fallible humans > > >> > > > > to a > > >> > > > > golden pedestal is to put whoever it is before a fall. One can > > >> > > > > certainly be loving and it appears this can be reciprocal, > > >> > > > > though I'd > > >> > > > > expect this to be less than perfect or bound in mutual illusions. > > >> > > > > Freedom from exploitation seems key to me, along with some form > > >> > > > > of > > >> > > > > understanding on equality. I can say that I wish I had been > > >> > > > > better > > >> > > > > able to enjoy sex earlier in my life through some decent > > >> > > > > education > > >> > > > > about it. > > > >> > > > > On 4 May, 01:07, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > Exactly, trust is essential to the bond, it is the adhesive > > >> > > > > > quality > > >> > > > > > that transforms two into one. The bond can be broken and > > >> > > > > > repaired but > > >> > > > > > it forever has the crack that remains a visible detraction and > > >> > > > > > possibly a perpetual doubt which can fester at anytime under > > >> > > > > > testing > > >> > > > > > situations, such as out of town overnight business meetings or > > >> > > > > > the > > >> > > > > > introduction of a past friend, literally anything can set off > > >> > > > > > the > > >> > > > > > process of relationship erosion. I can only wish that everyone > > >> > > > > > would > > >> > > > > > find that special soul mate and live happily ever after. > > > >> > > > > > On May 3, 3:54 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > > >> > > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > I agree completely about fidelity. For some, a dip in > > >> > > > > > > another pool provides added excitement...but for me, it > > >> > > > > > > cracks the foundation of the love I have, irreparably, no > > >> > > > > > > matter which person is to blame. Trust is key for me, and > > >> > > > > > > without faithfulness, there is no trust. > > > >> > > > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:Slip Disc > > >> > > > > > > <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > > >> > > > > > > <[email protected]>Date:Sun, 3 May 2009 12:48:43 > > >> > > > > > > -0700 (PDT)Local:Sun, May 3 2009 2:48 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] > > >> > > > > > > Re: What is the nature of Love? > > > >> > > > > > > It must be Chris being that you posted twice on it, lol, > > >> > > > > > > thanks. > > > >> > > > > > > I might add that much of my feelings at this point are based > > >> > > > > > > on the > > >> > > > > > > fact that she is without exception my best friend in the > > >> > > > > > > world. The > > >> > > > > > > monogamy issue for me is moot as I would hurt as much as she > > >> > > > > > > would, > > >> > > > > > > and mutually so. I guess in that sense the love factor > > >> > > > > > > reveals itself > > >> > > > > > > to be the core driven emotion that keeps us together. When > > >> > > > > > > that > > >> > > > > > > emotion is present, the thought of infidelity never enters > > >> > > > > > > the mind. > > >> > > > > > > Love, being faithful, gives relationships integrity and > > >> > > > > > > provides a > > >> > > > > > > sound platform on which to continue building. Newly founded > > >> > > > > > > relationships or marriages are like a complete white circle > > >> > > > > > > that > > >> > > > > > > accumulates black spots for each little transgression, > > >> > > > > > > larger spots > > >> > > > > > > for more serious infractions. As time goes by the circle may > > >> > > > > > > seem > > >> > > > > > > more black than white and the imbalance weighs heavier on > > >> > > > > > > the side of > > >> > > > > > > failure due to the loss of integrity, eventually with > > >> > > > > > > nothing left the > > >> > > > > > > relationship collapses. We can fantasize all we want about > > >> > > > > > > how much > > >> > > > > > > greener the grass is on the other side but truth is it takes > > >> > > > > > > mutual > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
