When a person loses wealth or name he becomes depressed whereas a person who has attained to the calm of self-mastery remains cool and composed as he has ever a spirit of detachment from all worldly things. But that doesn't mean that he becomes a zombie as he acts and behaves normally , doing all necessary work and making efforts without the attachment associated with such work. This view has been put forth by many great teachers and I am only reiterating it --- read the bhagwadgita and you may find something of what I am saying clearly enunciated there. People go in search of the elusive self as if it were somewhere underneath wraps , whereas the truth is it is right there before you and you fail to see it. The Self is that Nothing of which scientist speak from which the universe has emanated and to which it will go---and if you think that you will be able to grasp it within your hand , you have lot to learn. You ask me to learn but all that you speak of has been gathering dust in books and folklore , why don't you just open your eyes and accept the certainty of death and salvation.
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > Hope I don't get in the way here RP but I was waiting for Allan before > butting in. At first I found this troubling and not purely on the basis of > Individuality, but that there is a separation between things such that we > are striving for our own nullification in a process of spiritual division > then multiplication, while at the same time we are speaking of an eternal > and infinite wellspring. It may be that this is the greatest height that any > teacher will speak of or has attained and it may indeed be The truth, > however it may also be a misleading truth if we accept it as the only > destination. The definition of self-realization may also be a half-truth, > depending on how you define self-mastery. If realization is a mere > perceptual trick in the grand scheme compared to God, it is just one step of > the ladder, of which there may be an infinite supply (and all of that may > fall within another mastery). > > I would much prefer to walk my path for a very long time, wherever it may > lead, through samsara or hell and put a foot in many dimensions of > existence, merely to explore and discover. Heaven and hell I'd flip upside > down and leave no stone unturned to see where and what we are and what > possibilities may be. Noone can say where that would take us, or what we > could become. Until then we do need pieces of insight, I suppose even if > they come in the form of neti neti, many disciplines and many arts so long > as we don't lose the urge or spirit that led us to make them- tools handed > down for us to build on. > > I hope this was along a constructive path for thoughts, could you offer more > insight into how far self-mastery can go in your belief? > > On 1/23/2011 1:16 PM, iam deheretic wrote: > > RP by my experience you have a lot to learn > But your mind is closed and you know it all , sadly when people set the > conditions for something they can never exceed them because they have set > the only conditions they have set. sadder still it becomes a self > fulfilling prophecy . > Allan > > On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 10:04 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> The nearest a person can get to a state of Self-realization while >> still in this body is to attain to the calm of self-mastery , that is >> , to remain cool and self-composed in all favourable and adverse >> circumstances ----- to live and act with a spirit of detachment while >> doing all works to the best of one's ability. >> >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:05 PM, [email protected] >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I almost agree with you RP. But of course it is possible to >> > experiance such bliss whilst still alive, not easy, but possible. >> > >> > On Jan 19, 2:49 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> All are different , some are incompetent , some competent; some are >> >> fools , others are brilliant ; some are esteemed , others despicable; >> >> and so on and on. But in reality all are equal as all are made from >> >> the One , Godself , and to that Godself all eventually go and find >> >> eternal peace , the supreme bliss which can be understood but never >> >> experienced while in this body. > > > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > > >
