Hope I don't get in the way here RP but I was waiting for Allan before
butting in. At first I found this troubling and not purely on the basis
of Individuality, but that there is a separation between things such
that we are striving for our own nullification in a process of spiritual
division then multiplication, while at the same time we are speaking of
an eternal and infinite wellspring. It may be that this is the greatest
height that any teacher will speak of or has attained and it may indeed
be The truth, however it may also be a misleading truth if we accept it
as the only destination. The definition of self-realization may also be
a half-truth, depending on how you define self-mastery. If realization
is a mere perceptual trick in the grand scheme compared to God, it is
just one step of the ladder, of which there may be an infinite supply
(and all of that may fall within another mastery).
I would much prefer to walk my path for a very long time, wherever it
may lead, through samsara or hell and put a foot in many dimensions of
existence, merely to explore and discover. Heaven and hell I'd flip
upside down and leave no stone unturned to see where and what we are and
what possibilities may be. Noone can say where that would take us, or
what we could become. Until then we do need pieces of insight, I suppose
even if they come in the form of neti neti, many disciplines and many
arts so long as we don't lose the urge or spirit that led us to make
them- tools handed down for us to build on.
I hope this was along a constructive path for thoughts, could you offer
more insight into how far self-mastery can go in your belief?
On 1/23/2011 1:16 PM, iam deheretic wrote:
RP by my experience you have a lot to learn
But your mind is closed and you know it all , sadly when people set
the conditions for something they can never exceed them because they
have set the only conditions they have set. sadder still it becomes a
self fulfilling prophecy .
Allan
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 10:04 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
The nearest a person can get to a state of Self-realization while
still in this body is to attain to the calm of self-mastery , that is
, to remain cool and self-composed in all favourable and adverse
circumstances ----- to live and act with a spirit of detachment while
doing all works to the best of one's ability.
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:05 PM, [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> I almost agree with you RP. But of course it is possible to
> experiance such bliss whilst still alive, not easy, but possible.
>
> On Jan 19, 2:49 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> All are different , some are incompetent , some competent; some are
>> fools , others are brilliant ; some are esteemed , others
despicable;
>> and so on and on. But in reality all are equal as all are made from
>> the One , Godself , and to that Godself all eventually go and find
>> eternal peace , the supreme bliss which can be understood but never
>> experienced while in this body.
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I_D Allan
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
