Robert, Jon, List, Thanks for the note. There is nothing controversial about it, and I agree with Jon's comments.
But I would note that Peirce's later shift to semes, phemes, and delomes enabled him to simplify, some of the issues, and generalize others. For example, the idea of hypoicons seemed to be a powerful new concept that Peirce discussed in only one MS. He didn't need it later because he introduced semes as a generalization of rhemes. This is just one of many ways that Peirce's system developed during the decade of 1903 to 1913. To avoid disturbing this moment of agreement, I won't say anything more. John ---------------------------------------- From: "Jon Alan Schmidt" <jonalanschm...@gmail.com> Sent: 4/12/24 1:18 PM To: Peirce-L <peirce-l@list.iupui.edu> Cc: Ahti Pietarinen <ahti.pietari...@gmail.com>, Francesco Bellucci <bellucci.france...@googlemail.com>, Anthony Jappy <anthony.ja...@gmail.com>, "Houser, Nathan R." <nhou...@iupui.edu> Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mark Token Type Robert, List: Thanks for the reminder about this brief paper, which we discussed on the List back in November 2021. As I said at that time, it is based on Peirce's 1903 taxonomy with three trichotomies and ten sign classes, not his 1906-1908 taxonomies with ten trichotomies and 66 sign classes; and my only quibble with it is that it seems to equate "token" with "replica," which is why it identifies only six classes of tokens. Instead, "token" directly replaces "sinsign," while "instance" directly replaces "replica" (CP 4.537, 1906). Accordingly, there are six classes of replicas/instances and three additional classes of sinsigns/tokens, which correspond to the outermost oval in each Venn diagram--iconic sinsigns/tokens, rhematic indexical sinsigns/tokens, and dicent sinsigns/tokens. RM: I have not yet looked at tone/mark, but the same methodology should make it possible to conclude that each of the six types of token involves a tone/mark of a particular kind. Indeed, here is what Peirce himself says about this. CSP: A Qualisign is a quality which is a sign. It cannot actually act as a sign until it is embodied; but the embodiment has nothing to do with its character as a sign. A Sinsign ... is an actual existent thing or event which is a sign. It can only be so through its qualities; so that it involves a qualisign, or rather, several qualisigns. But these qualisigns are of a peculiar kind and only form a sign through being actually embodied. (CP 2:244-245, EP 2:291, 1903) CSP: Second, an Iconic Sinsign is any object of experience in so far as some quality of it makes it determine the idea of an Object. Being an Icon, and thus a sign by likeness purely, of whatever it may be like, it can only be interpreted as a sign of essence, or Rheme. It will embody a Qualisign. (CP 2.255, EP 2:294, 1903) Although qualisigns/tones as "indefinite significant characters" must be carefully distinguished from legisigns/types as "definitely significant Forms" (CP 4.537; cf. R 339:276r-277r, 1906 Apr 2), both must be embodied in sinsigns/tokens in order to act as signs. In fact, every sinsign/token involves qualisigns/tones of a peculiar kind, and every iconic sinsign/token embodies a qualisign. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 5:30 AM robert marty <robert.mart...@gmail.com> wrote: List,I contribute to the debate with this note that I posted on Academia.edu a few years ago ... at my peril ... I have not yet looked at tone/mark, but the same methodology should make it possible to conclude that each of the six types of token involves a tone/mark of a particular kind. https://www.academia.edu/61335079/Note_on_Signs_Types_and_Tokens Regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty https://martyrobert.academia.edu/
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