well, all that notwithstanding there are official numbers on such matters inflation index, consumer price index, and others
they are all VERY low for many many years now (knock on wood), on the order a few percent remember the jimmy carter years? software has yet to find it's real price model, it will take quite a while as the value portion is ephemeral another relevant issue here is that pcb designers are not exactly an exploding market, there only needs to be so many of us and most everybody already has some software i think the time use model is a future certainty, UCITA already allows remote disabling of users software more or less at the vendor's will http://www.matrixlist.com/pipermail/leaplist/2000-March/003758.html solidworks has a pretty strong maintenance program, they guarantee something like 5 service packs a year which include enhancements as well as bug fixes they also allow stepping back so that a new SP which introduces new 'issues' (love that word) can be easily rolled back to the prior one if you let the maintenance ($1500/yr) expire then for a 100 bucks penalty (plus of course the $1500) you can reinstate the remaining portion of the year or for a $500 penalty you can reset the yearly clock they've got their revenue stream wired and (or is BUT ?? ) they have a great product this is all done through networks of local dealers who have people who actually know stuff and sell training i don't know if the dealers or anyone makes any real money at any of this but it seems that they might i think what protel really ought to do (seriously now) is open up a little service bureau and put one their people in it so that they can deal with and learn all of the real world requirements first hand Dennis Saputelli Tony Karavidas wrote: > > The personal electronics industry is a freak among industries. You must > agree with that? > > Even in your example lies cable modem service that has gone up and up. Tell > me why? They say it's because it reflects the value of our service.' BS, > it's because DSL went up and cable can go up to because there is no reason > to hold it down. > > How about gasoline? In California, they told us a few years ago the gas > price was going to climb because of the expense of processing in the MTBE > additive. Now they find out MTBE sucks, and it's going to cost more again to > take it out! Why can't they just make the old gas, and give us the old > pre-MTBE price? Because the market will bear it and the gov't won't step in > to pull back the reigns. > > You see no excuse, but capitalism allows it to happen. Maybe if Castro was > running the EDA s/w industry we'll all be using expresspcb and liking it. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:34 PM > > To: Protel EDA Forum > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Upgrade Pricing Ethics WAS: Not DXP or P99SE, but > > have you seen the Cadence offer!!!! > > > > > > No, not everything has gone up. I am surprised that you would make this > > claim, being in the electronics industry. Here are some things that have > > gone down: > > > > Long distance rates > > Cellphone rates > > TVs (get a good one for $300 US, they used to be a lot more) > > All kinds of personal electronics > > Computers > > > > I have somewhat increased what I charge for consulting services over the > > years. But I am not able to increase what I charge for hardware due to > > market forces. > > > > Other than hiring more programmers or giving them a raise, I see no excuse > > for software prices going up. Code can be (and is) re-used from > > one version > > to the next, so that R&D is already paid for. What the increases > > are really > > for is to support the increased inefficiency of the corporate > > machine. Yes, > > you are less efficient (in terms of work output / dollars input) > > if you get > > paid more for doing the same thing. So, I have become slightly less > > efficient in the past 10 years ;-) But not to the extent that Big Corp. > > does. They have big CEOs, big marketing depts, big stockholders > > to pay big > > bucks to. But the output isn't scaling with the $$$ input. So they are > > becoming less efficient. > > > > Increasing software prices vs. decreasing customer acceptance of paying > > those prices. This is another classic case of the irresistable force > > meeting the immovable object. It will be interesting to see what happens. > > > > Best regards, > > Ivan Baggett > > Bagotronix Inc. > > website: www.bagotronix.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tony Karavidas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 3:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Upgrade Pricing Ethics WAS: Not DXP or P99SE, but have > > you seen the Cadence offer!!!! > > > > > > > Ivan, do you mean to say your prices haven't gone up in the past (pick > > time > > > frame)?? > > > I know I charge more today for basically the same work that I did 3 or 4 > > > years ago. Why is everyone so shocked that Protel's price went up? > > > Everything has gone up, milk, eggs, gas, cars, etc. > > > > > > ************************************************************************ * Tracking #: C29DA57D50616A4297F1A5B6401843209A7861E6 * ************************************************************************ -- ___________________________________________________________________________ www.integratedcontrolsinc.com Integrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-0480 2851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003 San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
